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The top player in the Transfer Portal, Hunter Dickinson, recently announced that he was transferring from Michigan to Kansas. Dickinson was an All American last year who averaged 18.5 ppg and 8 rebounds. While he stated that he loved Michigan, it was time for him to be "selfish", strongly implying that he would be making more NIL money at Kansas. In an interview on Barstool Sports, he twice stated that he made less than 6 figures at Michigan last year, obviously implying that he was underpaid. It's sad that college basketball has become a world where many players are simply chasing the money.
Can DU continue to compete in this world?
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UrbyJT
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Hard to blame him. I respect his honesty. Hope we can keep up. I think there have been some signs that we can.
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+xThe top player in the Transfer Portal, Hunter Dickinson, recently announced that he was transferring from Michigan to Kansas. Dickinson was an All American last year who averaged 18.5 ppg and 8 rebounds. While he stated that he loved Michigan, it was time for him to be "selfish", strongly implying that he would be making more NIL money at Kansas. In an interview on Barstool Sports, he twice stated that he made less than 6 figures at Michigan last year, obviously implying that he was underpaid.It's sad that college basketball has become a world where many players are simply chasing the money.Can DU continue to compete in this world? The answer is yes. Think about this. Have we ever competed w/the KU's and Michigan's of the world for recruits? The answer is no. NIL isn't really changing anything about that anyway. We have our collective. It's never going to match a Power 5 school anyway unless we have a big donor like a guy at Miami of Florida. However, as long as DeVries is our coach we'll be in the running for the NCAA tournament every year w/a chance to win a game. Or possibly 2. I'm not going to worry about it. Our roster looks really solid again next year. If we're not the favorite to win the Valley we should be, especially if Brodie comes back.
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DUBulldog
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Yes, NIL is going to change things.
But, it's important to realize that many schools (boosters) have been paying players under the table for at least 50 years.
It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out over the next 4 to 5 years. Will fans turn on players who are "overpaid"?
Will there be jealousy within teams due to how much each player is making?
Will we see situations here a low-mid D1 school with an extremely wealthy booster can suddenly become a powerhouse?
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UrbyJT
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And there will always be a finite number of scholarships
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Lime
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One thing that will be interesting is how schools and affiliated collectives/business partners prioritize sports particularly for football and basketball. There have always been finite resources and even some major schools have had lackluster support or facilites for one or the other (see Kansas football). But indirect/unofficial legal payments kind of add a wrinkle. Like there are rumors that McCaffery feels like Iowa’s collective is only football-oriented. And that would sort of fit with someone jumping from Michigan to Kansas - Kansas has a better hoops history, but Michigan is no slouch - if Michigan football is eating up more oxygen.
So I wonder if there’s an opening for basketball only (or heavily focused) schools to make some in-roads.
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Its a bit of a shame that basically we're hiring pros to form college teams. However, I hated the facade that was the old system. This will reduce the one and done culture and the farce that the players aren't getting paid. So, less corruption and better players in college longer = good thing. One thing I think we'll start seeing though is contracts locking in players. If you're getting paid, you can't just leave without penalty. I expect schools to react strongly to the portal flight this year.
I agree with others that it doesn't hurt Drake as we never competed with anyone that's paying players mutli-6 figures. I doubt seriously, our NIL program is going to bet substantively worse than anyone else in the MVC. So, I'm not worried about Drake.
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zman
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+xOne thing that will be interesting is how schools and affiliated collectives/business partners prioritize sports particularly for football and basketball. There have always been finite resources and even some major schools have had lackluster support or facilites for one or the other (see Kansas football). But indirect/unofficial legal payments kind of add a wrinkle. Like there are rumors that McCaffery feels like Iowa’s collective is only football-oriented. And that would sort of fit with someone jumping from Michigan to Kansas - Kansas has a better hoops history, but Michigan is no slouch - if Michigan football is eating up more oxygen. So I wonder if there’s an opening for basketball only (or heavily focused) schools to make some in-roads. In regards to this, I've read the same things at Iowa. Also read that of over 160K of active alumni only 1800 are actually contributing to their version of the collective. Kind of agree w/DU that at some point it's going to tip. I'm all for the players getting paid for legit name image and likeness, which this was originally about. It's about none of this now. There will probably always be big super doners and such, but when you're already paying for season tickets, seat licenses, etc., at what point does it ever really end? Aren't they basically pro's at some point? At least we really only have to deal w/1 major sport, which is basketball. Going to be interesting!
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ILLINOISBULLDOG
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Personally I think it all sucks. College sports have ruined between the nil and the portal. Turns mid majors into farm teams. It’s all BS
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ILLINOISBULLDOG
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And I think NIL can affect the Drakes of the world. That outside chance of landing a special player is now gone
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ColonialBulldog
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I agree that NIL has changed the game and we can't just choose not to play. My view is that our NIL just needs to be close to the level of our peers. (Aka other Valley teams, and to some extent non-football mid-majors.) As long as DD, Hardin, and Martin are here we can make up for small differences because of where we are as a program. We won't overcome big differences. I don't know what the numbers are, but I think we're meeting this goal?
I categorically disagree that transfer portal has hurt us. If you look at transfers-in and transfers-out, Drake has broken even at worst. In my opinion, Drake has overwhelmingly benefited in the DeVries era which coincides with the portal, grad-transfer and one-free transfer rules.
IN: Norton, Ellingson, Ernst, Penn, Tank, Brodie, Ayo, Calhoun, Atin, Gibson, Roberts, Northweather
OUT: Yesufu, Robbins, Kwiecinwski, Okay, Burns, Samake
This does not include JUCO/walk-on transfers
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+xI agree that NIL has changed the game and we can't just choose not to play. My view is that our NIL just needs to be close to the level of our peers. (Aka other Valley teams, and to some extent non-football mid-majors.) As long as DD, Hardin, and Martin are here we can make up for small differences because of where we are as a program. We won't overcome big differences. I don't know what the numbers are, but I think we're meeting this goal? I categorically disagree that transfer portal has hurt us. If you look at transfers-in and transfers-out, Drake has broken even at worst. In my opinion, Drake has overwhelmingly benefited in the DeVries era which coincides with the portal, grad-transfer and one-free transfer rules. IN: Norton, Ellingson, Ernst, Penn, Tank, Brodie, Ayo, Calhoun, Atin, Gibson, Roberts, Northweather OUT: Yesufu, Robbins, Kwiecinwski, Okay, Burns, Samake This does not include JUCO/walk-on transfers Totally agree. Now some might not like it but we have been very successful in the portal. Look at all those studs we have brought in f rom the portal. Possibly the best players we've had in many many years. Penn was an all time player at Drake. Norton if he hadn't gotten hurt was going to lead us to a Valley championship. Ellingson was a great addition. Only guy of any consequence we have lost was Joe, and he floundered at the next level. Thanks for putting that together for everyone to look at colonial instead of everyone just jumping off a cliff how it's ruining basketball.
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ILLINOISBULLDOG
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I will disagree Joe is the only guy of consequence. He was great those last 10-12 games for sure but if Robbins doesn’t transfer Drake could have been in the Dance 4 straight years and could have won a couple games. Brodie has made big strides but he isn’t nearly the offensive player Robbins was and he was also a good shot blocker This is assuming he wouldn’t have been injured
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Robbbins left in April 2020 so he only would have been able to add 2022 as an NCAA appearance.
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bulldog1215
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+xThe top player in the Transfer Portal, Hunter Dickinson, recently announced that he was transferring from Michigan to Kansas. Dickinson was an All American last year who averaged 18.5 ppg and 8 rebounds. While he stated that he loved Michigan, it was time for him to be "selfish", strongly implying that he would be making more NIL money at Kansas. In an interview on Barstool Sports, he twice stated that he made less than 6 figures at Michigan last year, obviously implying that he was underpaid. It's sad that college basketball has become a world where many players are simply chasing the money. Can DU continue to compete in this world? We’ve got a dang good chance to compete if everyone on this board contributes on a basis where it Hurts a Little Bit! IMO. I look at it like Voting (legally ;) ) If you don’t give what you’re capable of giving, your right to bitch should be diminished. (Speaking in general here ‘72). Www.DUGreatCollective.org It takes everyone to succeed. Go Dogs!
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Here is an article about how Illini Football are using their collective. You do need a 247 subscription https://247sports.com/college/illinois/Article/Illinois-Fighting-Illini-football-NIL-approach-Bret-Bielema-210332828/Sounds like the Illini are rewarding the players who stick around and obviously make an impact. $100,000 is the price for a stud upper-classman football player. 1.3 million per season for mens basketball is the goal. Alumni site says more than 75000 alumni so that means if 75000 Drake fans donated $17.33 to the collective we would have 1.3 million. Round it up to $20 that's 1.5 million. Lets buy us some talent.
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Drakey
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+xI agree that NIL has changed the game and we can't just choose not to play. My view is that our NIL just needs to be close to the level of our peers. (Aka other Valley teams, and to some extent non-football mid-majors.) As long as DD, Hardin, and Martin are here we can make up for small differences because of where we are as a program. We won't overcome big differences. I don't know what the numbers are, but I think we're meeting this goal? I categorically disagree that transfer portal has hurt us. If you look at transfers-in and transfers-out, Drake has broken even at worst. In my opinion, Drake has overwhelmingly benefited in the DeVries era which coincides with the portal, grad-transfer and one-free transfer rules. IN: Norton, Ellingson, Ernst, Penn, Tank, Brodie, Ayo, Calhoun, Atin, Gibson, Roberts, Northweather OUT: Yesufu, Robbins, Kwiecinwski, Okay, Burns, Samake This does not include JUCO/walk-on transfers There is no way the transfer portal helps any mid-major. Most of the people you list had nothing to do with the portal and were transfers before it existed. It is almost guaranteed that if we recruit a diamond in the tough who turns out to be great that he will leave. That is a combination of the NIL fiasco and the transfer portal which were designed to make us in to farm teams. The best we can hope for is more NIL than other mid-majors to hopefully lure more Power 5 rejects or low major transfers. At this point I'm sure there are players who are being told by P5 schools to sign with a mid-major and maybe we'll take you next year.
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DUBulldog
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I think people put way too much into the transfer portal. All the portal does is allows players to notify everybody that they’re transferring. It’s not the portal itself that’s the problem….it was eliminating the sit-out year when you transfer. Guys could always transfer; the portal just streamlined the process. The portal started in 2018. The rule change to not having to sit out a year started in 2021. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/ncaa-transfer-portal-what-it-how-it-works-0?amp
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ColonialBulldog
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+x+xI agree that NIL has changed the game and we can't just choose not to play. My view is that our NIL just needs to be close to the level of our peers. (Aka other Valley teams, and to some extent non-football mid-majors.) As long as DD, Hardin, and Martin are here we can make up for small differences because of where we are as a program. We won't overcome big differences. I don't know what the numbers are, but I think we're meeting this goal? I categorically disagree that transfer portal has hurt us. If you look at transfers-in and transfers-out, Drake has broken even at worst. In my opinion, Drake has overwhelmingly benefited in the DeVries era which coincides with the portal, grad-transfer and one-free transfer rules. IN: Norton, Ellingson, Ernst, Penn, Tank, Brodie, Ayo, Calhoun, Atin, Gibson, Roberts, Northweather OUT: Yesufu, Robbins, Kwiecinwski, Okay, Burns, Samake This does not include JUCO/walk-on transfers There is no way the transfer portal helps any mid-major. Most of the people you list had nothing to do with the portal and were transfers before it existed. It is almost guaranteed that if we recruit a diamond in the tough who turns out to be great that he will leave. That is a combination of the NIL fiasco and the transfer portal which were designed to make us in to farm teams. The best we can hope for is more NIL than other mid-majors to hopefully lure more Power 5 rejects or low major transfers. At this point I'm sure there are players who are being told by P5 schools to sign with a mid-major and maybe we'll take you next year. I was very sure to point out that the "DeVries era" coincided with the general relaxation of transfer rules (grad transfer, free transfer). Most people use the term portal to refer collectively to the relaxation. I 100% stand by my conclusion that Drake had benefited from the relaxation of said rules aka "portal". You could run the same comparison of transfer recruits compared to high school/juco recruits. In my view you'd get the same conclusion. As a mid-major, Drake has absolutely benefitted from the portal.
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ColonialBulldog
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+x+x+xI agree that NIL has changed the game and we can't just choose not to play. My view is that our NIL just needs to be close to the level of our peers. (Aka other Valley teams, and to some extent non-football mid-majors.) As long as DD, Hardin, and Martin are here we can make up for small differences because of where we are as a program. We won't overcome big differences. I don't know what the numbers are, but I think we're meeting this goal? I categorically disagree that transfer portal has hurt us. If you look at transfers-in and transfers-out, Drake has broken even at worst. In my opinion, Drake has overwhelmingly benefited in the DeVries era which coincides with the portal, grad-transfer and one-free transfer rules. IN: Norton, Ellingson, Ernst, Penn, Tank, Brodie, Ayo, Calhoun, Atin, Gibson, Roberts, Northweather OUT: Yesufu, Robbins, Kwiecinwski, Okay, Burns, Samake This does not include JUCO/walk-on transfers There is no way the transfer portal helps any mid-major. Most of the people you list had nothing to do with the portal and were transfers before it existed. It is almost guaranteed that if we recruit a diamond in the tough who turns out to be great that he will leave. That is a combination of the NIL fiasco and the transfer portal which were designed to make us in to farm teams. The best we can hope for is more NIL than other mid-majors to hopefully lure more Power 5 rejects or low major transfers. At this point I'm sure there are players who are being told by P5 schools to sign with a mid-major and maybe we'll take you next year. I was very sure to point out that the "DeVries era" coincided with the general relaxation of transfer rules (grad transfer, free transfer). Most people use the term portal to refer collectively to the relaxation. I 100% stand by my conclusion that Drake had benefited from the relaxation of said rules aka "portal". You could run the same comparison of transfer recruits compared to high school/juco recruits. In my view you'd get the same conclusion. As a mid-major, Drake has absolutely benefitted from the portal. I don't think you can honestly say those guys listed as transfers would all transfer without the relaxation of the transfer rules. There's just no way that's true.
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