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+x Still the conference needs to develop some stability and Augie may be the best selection to replace Western from a geographical standpoint. Football may be a question mark but the rest of their athletic program is pretty solid. Exactly. If the Coyote/Jacks administrators can put aside their pettiness, They'll have a solid member. No current D-I school wants into the Summit. That leaves D-IIs, including several that emphasize football. While it might be possible to get a NW Missouri into the both the Summit and MVFC, it's far from certain they want to leave D-II. The Summit would have to take a couple of schools like Northwest in order to have an automatic bid football conference. I think Augustana would go to the Pioneer rather than fully fund a FCS team. With so-called high major basketball teams refusing to play Summit squads home-home, the league will have to keep its membership numbers up to maintain a reasonable number of home games. The Summit should take Augie now; let them go through the transition period before the league loses Denver and/or Oral Roberts.
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+x+x Still the conference needs to develop some stability and Augie may be the best selection to replace Western from a geographical standpoint. Football may be a question mark but the rest of their athletic program is pretty solid. Exactly. If the Coyote/Jacks administrators can put aside their pettiness, They'll have a solid member. No current D-I school wants into the Summit. That leaves D-IIs, including several that emphasize football. While it might be possible to get a NW Missouri into the both the Summit and MVFC, it's far from certain they want to leave D-II. The Summit would have to take a couple of schools like Northwest in order to have an automatic bid football conference. I think Augustana would go to the Pioneer rather than fully fund a FCS team. With so-called high major basketball teams refusing to play Summit squads home-home, the league will have to keep its membership numbers up to maintain a reasonable number of home games. The Summit should take Augie now; let them go through the transition period before the league loses Denver and/or Oral Roberts. Not sure I would quite so pessimistic about the Summit. Remember, the four Dakota schools have been in the same conference for the better part of 60 years. They stabilize the entire Summit and each school has experienced success in their major sorts over the years. USD and SDS may have concerns about Augie because they are spitting a small pie three ways but there is also lots of positive history since they were all in the same conference - North Central - for a number of years. Augie has decent facilities and is only a bus ride away from Vermillion and Brookings. Another frequently mentioned target for the Summit is Lindenwood of St. Louis. (Full disclosure: I am a former Des Moines resident but currently live in St. Louis). Lindenwood already is D1 and currently is in the Ohio Valley for most of its sports but is rumored to be on the hunt for something better. They have tons of money in the athletic department budget, a big media market, nice new facilities and boost 49 sports. Frankly, Lindenwood may be a potential future target for the Valley if something happens to Evansville, for example.
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+x+x+x Still the conference needs to develop some stability and Augie may be the best selection to replace Western from a geographical standpoint. Football may be a question mark but the rest of their athletic program is pretty solid. Exactly. If the Coyote/Jacks administrators can put aside their pettiness, They'll have a solid member. No current D-I school wants into the Summit. That leaves D-IIs, including several that emphasize football. While it might be possible to get a NW Missouri into the both the Summit and MVFC, it's far from certain they want to leave D-II. The Summit would have to take a couple of schools like Northwest in order to have an automatic bid football conference. I think Augustana would go to the Pioneer rather than fully fund a FCS team. With so-called high major basketball teams refusing to play Summit squads home-home, the league will have to keep its membership numbers up to maintain a reasonable number of home games. The Summit should take Augie now; let them go through the transition period before the league loses Denver and/or Oral Roberts. Not sure I would quite so pessimistic about the Summit. Remember, the four Dakota schools have been in the same conference for the better part of 60 years. They stabilize the entire Summit and each school has experienced success in their major sorts over the years. USD and SDS may have concerns about Augie because they are spitting a small pie three ways but there is also lots of positive history since they were all in the same conference - North Central - for a number of years. Augie has decent facilities and is only a bus ride away from Vermillion and Brookings. Another frequently mentioned target for the Summit is Lindenwood of St. Louis. (Full disclosure: I am a former Des Moines resident but currently live in St. Louis). Lindenwood already is D1 and currently is in the Ohio Valley for most of its sports but is rumored to be on the hunt for something better. They have tons of money in the athletic department budget, a big media market, nice new facilities and boost 49 sports. Frankly, Lindenwood may be a potential future target for the Valley if something happens to Evansville, for example. Wash U has been asked before right? Their leadership has been adament about staying D3, but that's another school that could make the jump with a change in leadership.
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They would need a waiver to jump two divisions. St. Thomas got one, but they got it because they had been kicked out of their D3 league.
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In addition, Wash U. has a very Ivy League type mantra. https://uaasports.info/information/aboutuaa/philosophyThey would need to change their orientation before getting into D-I scholarship basketball. Don't hold your breath on that.
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Yeah they’re in a conference with NYU, UChicago, Carnegie Mellon, etc. I don’t see them swapping that for the Dakotas.
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The OVC could also be looking to get back to an even number. They recently pulled two schools (Lindenwood and Southern Indiana) out of D2. Are there other options there? UIndy recently passed on moving up, but maybe they’d reconsider? Some have suggested Chicago State, who is homeless. Probably a long shot, but given their struggles athletically and institutionally, I wonder if Valpo ever looks at dropping to a league they can compete in.
Of course, maybe the odd numbers don’t matter enough…the Horizon has yet to backfill UIC and is sitting on 11.
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+xThe OVC could also be looking to get back to an even number. They recently pulled two schools (Lindenwood and Southern Indiana) out of D2. Are there other options there? ...
Of course, maybe the odd numbers don’t matter enough…the Horizon has yet to backfill UIC and is sitting on 11.
Rumors of Grand Valley State joining either the Horizon+MVFC or the OVC have been around for years. Who knows what their intentions are. Their football coach has reportedly been bullshatting recruits on the OVC.
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+x+xThe OVC could also be looking to get back to an even number. They recently pulled two schools (Lindenwood and Southern Indiana) out of D2. Are there other options there? ...
Of course, maybe the odd numbers don’t matter enough…the Horizon has yet to backfill UIC and is sitting on 11.
Rumors of Grand Valley State joining either the Horizon+MVFC or the OVC have been around for years. Who knows what their intentions are. Their football coach has reportedly been bullshatting recruits on the OVC. Their football coach is currently coaching OLBs at Wisconsin so who knows what they are saying now.
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Why do I care about any of this? What does it matter for the Valley? Wash U from D3?
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+xWhy do I care about any of this? What does it matter for the Valley? Wash U from D3? +1
Moving forward.....
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+xWhy do I care about any of this? What does it matter for the Valley? Wash U from D3? Wash U of St. Louis has, over years, a solid men's soccer program. Maybe the interest here has nothing to with basketball and more to do with other sports. ?
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+x+xWhy do I care about any of this? What does it matter for the Valley? Wash U from D3? Wash U of St. Louis has, over years, a solid men's soccer program. Maybe the interest here has nothing to with basketball and more to do with other sports. ? It's a basketball forum. Not a soccer forum.
Moving forward.....
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Wash U isn’t moving from D3. Their bread isn’t buttered at the athletics dinner table and they know it. The St Thomas situation and Wash U isn’t similar at all, as some others have noted. We’re also not adding a school based off athletic prowess who’s claim to fame is soccer.
The Valley isn’t adding any school that isn’t in a major market for student recruitment. The presidents don’t want it and the revenue isn’t there for it (extreme outlier being Murray and we already have them). If I have to take UMKC, Milwaukee and some other D2 move up or stay where we are, we should stay where we are. UMKC is never going to be a priority for their state system and can’t ever seem to get their house fully in order, Milwaukee won’t make the commitment, and the Valley is not a D2 to D1 welcome mat.
St Thomas, a Texas school, and/or something towards the growing southeast are where we’ll be headed if/when the dam breaks.
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+x+x+x+xWhy do I care about any of this? What does it matter for the Valley? Wash U from D3? Wash U of St. Louis has, over years, a solid men's soccer program. Maybe the interest here has nothing to with basketball and more to do with other sports. ? It's a basketball forum. Not a soccer forum. I thought this thread was about conference realignment. Eh? That relates to all relevant sports which may include more sports than just basketball, no? Are you single-mindedly only thinking basketball here? Jesus H. Roy. Open your mind a hair.
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+xUMKC is never going to be a priority for their state system and can’t ever seem to get their house fully in order, UMKC is finally moving on building an on campus arena. Seating capacity will be 2-3 times that of the rec center they've been using. Whether it's 3 years or 30 years before the MVC has an opening**, UMKC will likely put its hat in the ring again. ** https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2023/05/09/missouri-state-football-fbs-fcs-valey-sun-belt-conference-usa-realignment-college-sports-clif-smart/70189082007/
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+xWash U isn’t moving from D3. Their bread isn’t buttered at the athletics dinner table and they know it. The St Thomas situation and Wash U isn’t similar at all, as some others have noted. We’re also not adding a school based off athletic prowess whose t. claim to fame is soccer.The Valley isn’t adding any school that isn’t in a major market for student recruitment. The presidents don’t want it and the revenue isn’t there for it (extreme outlier being Murray and we already have them). If I have to take UMKC, Milwaukee and some other D2 move up or stay where we are, we should stay where we are. UMKC is never going to be a priority for their state system and can’t ever seem to get their house fully in order, Milwaukee won’t make the commitment, and the Valley is not a D2 to D1 welcome mat.St Thomas, a Texas school, and/or something towards the growing southeast are where we’ll be headed if/when the dam breaks. St. Thomas, a Texas school, the one that's in St. Paul, MN?
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He was listing separate options as in
Option 1: School(s) in Texas Option 2: St Thomas Option 3: School(s) moving our geographic footprint towards the growing southeast
Or some combination of the 3
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That’s one way to read that sentence! It’s actually, St Thomas University, a school *located in * Tx or a school in the SE
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