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+x+x+x+xSchools left the MVC within a four-year period in the 1970s— Cincinnati in 1971, Memphis State in 1973, and Louisville in 1975. Doug Elgin wasn't even commish at that time. What was the draw for anybody to join the Valley in the 80's or 90's? Why would St Louis, DePaul or Marquette have come to the Valley? For Illinois State? Southern Ill? Indiana St? Bradley? DRAKE? The -10 winters? Even after the exit of Wichita and Creighton the Valley has maintained 8-12 out of 30 conferences. I blame greed! I think there was a time when a solid private school conference could have been formed probably still in the 90s. There at one time was speculation of such a conference and I recall reading an article about the teams that would likely be involved. I remember it included Bradley Creighton and Drake from the Valley and teams such as St. Louis, Dayton, Butler and Xavier. Wish it would have happened. Seemed plausible at the time. I remember that private school conference speculation. I'm thinking it didn't happen, at that time, because there were a couple of schools that had little to contribute. The least was probably Drake. People have posted the idea of removing schools from the conference. Looking over the performances the past 40 years, and locations, I think Drake would be the first out. Remove Black Magic and a magical 07-08 season, and Drake was awful. 2021: I'd remain at 10, unless the Valley could encourage St. Louis and Belmont to be 11 and 12. Again, one of the greatest victories in Valley history was Drake's win over Wichita State. The Valley wasn't good enough for the Shockers? F'em!! Couldn't disagree more with your analysis of Drake's worth. I believe that Drake, Loyola and Bradley probably have the highest ceilings in the Valley. Drake had years of terrible basketball in spite of the fact that it started from the best place in the conference, along with WSU, Creighton and Bradley. We had horrible leadership and president's who did not want successful programs. All it takes is a change in leadership and that is what we have now. Do you think anybody cares that Loyola was a pretty awful team in a weak conference for 50 years before the decision to take basketball seriously? The most successful schools outside of the Power 5 conference are private schools that don't have Football or who have non-scholarship Football. Loyola was invited because they are located in Chicago. Great marketing opportunity for the entire conference if they win. It was all about getting potential fans in the Chicagoland area and giving the other nine teams a reason to regularly play for exposure in the third market. Did you expect the Valley to take Wisconsin, Green Bay? Last I checked Drake is in Des Moines. Nice size population, but a pain in the a$$ and expensive destination. Remain a "Quad 1-2 " and schools might make the trip. Three years of winning under DD (and Marty) have erased your mind of how bad Drake was for years. Drake won 11 games in conference in 1990,91 and 92. Sadly, that was combined. Maybe the draw was the 5-13 in '89. I have two friends who went to Illinois and are now teaching at Loyola's MBA program. Huge Illini fans, they didn't care who won when they played in the tournament last month. They are loving Rambler basketball and now have an interest in the Valley. I give Marty, and team, huge points for going after the Des Moines community. Like my friends in Chicago, I believe Hawkeye and Cyclone fans in DM will support the program if the 'Dogs continue to offer a good product. Especially because we will not see Drake play Iowa and ISU in the regular season. I'm not suggesting a Miami of Ohio to get Cincinnati. The school is 40 minutes away in the middle of no where. As mentioned before, I'd like to see Belmont and St. Louis. Two schools that would help the Valley leave a foot print in nice size cities and growth to the conference.
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+x+x+x+x+xSchools left the MVC within a four-year period in the 1970s— Cincinnati in 1971, Memphis State in 1973, and Louisville in 1975. Doug Elgin wasn't even commish at that time. What was the draw for anybody to join the Valley in the 80's or 90's? Why would St Louis, DePaul or Marquette have come to the Valley? For Illinois State? Southern Ill? Indiana St? Bradley? DRAKE? The -10 winters? Even after the exit of Wichita and Creighton the Valley has maintained 8-12 out of 30 conferences. I blame greed! I think there was a time when a solid private school conference could have been formed probably still in the 90s. There at one time was speculation of such a conference and I recall reading an article about the teams that would likely be involved. I remember it included Bradley Creighton and Drake from the Valley and teams such as St. Louis, Dayton, Butler and Xavier. Wish it would have happened. Seemed plausible at the time. I remember that private school conference speculation. I'm thinking it didn't happen, at that time, because there were a couple of schools that had little to contribute. The least was probably Drake. People have posted the idea of removing schools from the conference. Looking over the performances the past 40 years, and locations, I think Drake would be the first out. Remove Black Magic and a magical 07-08 season, and Drake was awful. 2021: I'd remain at 10, unless the Valley could encourage St. Louis and Belmont to be 11 and 12. Again, one of the greatest victories in Valley history was Drake's win over Wichita State. The Valley wasn't good enough for the Shockers? F'em!! Couldn't disagree more with your analysis of Drake's worth. I believe that Drake, Loyola and Bradley probably have the highest ceilings in the Valley. Drake had years of terrible basketball in spite of the fact that it started from the best place in the conference, along with WSU, Creighton and Bradley. We had horrible leadership and president's who did not want successful programs. All it takes is a change in leadership and that is what we have now. Do you think anybody cares that Loyola was a pretty awful team in a weak conference for 50 years before the decision to take basketball seriously? The most successful schools outside of the Power 5 conference are private schools that don't have Football or who have non-scholarship Football. Loyola was invited because they are located in Chicago. Great marketing opportunity for the entire conference if they win. It was all about getting potential fans in the Chicagoland area and giving the other nine teams a reason to regularly play for exposure in the third market. Did you expect the Valley to take Wisconsin, Green Bay? Last I checked Drake is in Des Moines. Nice size population, but a pain in the a$$ and expensive destination. Remain a "Quad 1-2 " and schools might make the trip. Three years of winning under DD (and Marty) have erased your mind of how bad Drake was for years. Drake won 11 games in conference in 1990,91 and 92. Sadly, that was combined. Maybe the draw was the 5-13 in '89. I have two friends who went to Illinois and are now teaching at Loyola's MBA program. Huge Illini fans, they didn't care who won when they played in the tournament last month. They are loving Rambler basketball and now have an interest in the Valley. I give Marty, and team, huge points for going after the Des Moines community. Like my friends in Chicago, I believe Hawkeye and Cyclone fans in DM will support the program if the 'Dogs continue to offer a good product. Especially because we will not see Drake play Iowa and ISU in the regular season. I'm not suggesting a Miami of Ohio to get Cincinnati. The school is 40 minutes away in the middle of no where. As mentioned before, I'd like to see Belmont and St. Louis. Two schools that would help the Valley leave a foot print in nice size cities and growth to the conference. Loyola was invited because we desperately needed a team and they indicate they were willing to invest money in their program to bring it up to Valley level. But that is beside the point. The point was that nobody cares how bad Loyola WAS. Drake actually won 12 conference games during the seasons you reference. Just for comparison, Loyola won a total of 8 conference games during that same time frame. In fact, you would have to add the following two seasons victories for Loyola to reach 12 victories. They had twelve in FIVE years. Incidentally I have forgotten nothing. I sat through every home game in every one of those years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSchools left the MVC within a four-year period in the 1970s— Cincinnati in 1971, Memphis State in 1973, and Louisville in 1975. Doug Elgin wasn't even commish at that time. What was the draw for anybody to join the Valley in the 80's or 90's? Why would St Louis, DePaul or Marquette have come to the Valley? For Illinois State? Southern Ill? Indiana St? Bradley? DRAKE? The -10 winters? Even after the exit of Wichita and Creighton the Valley has maintained 8-12 out of 30 conferences. I blame greed! I think there was a time when a solid private school conference could have been formed probably still in the 90s. There at one time was speculation of such a conference and I recall reading an article about the teams that would likely be involved. I remember it included Bradley Creighton and Drake from the Valley and teams such as St. Louis, Dayton, Butler and Xavier. Wish it would have happened. Seemed plausible at the time. I remember that private school conference speculation. I'm thinking it didn't happen, at that time, because there were a couple of schools that had little to contribute. The least was probably Drake. People have posted the idea of removing schools from the conference. Looking over the performances the past 40 years, and locations, I think Drake would be the first out. Remove Black Magic and a magical 07-08 season, and Drake was awful. 2021: I'd remain at 10, unless the Valley could encourage St. Louis and Belmont to be 11 and 12. Again, one of the greatest victories in Valley history was Drake's win over Wichita State. The Valley wasn't good enough for the Shockers? F'em!! Couldn't disagree more with your analysis of Drake's worth. I believe that Drake, Loyola and Bradley probably have the highest ceilings in the Valley. Drake had years of terrible basketball in spite of the fact that it started from the best place in the conference, along with WSU, Creighton and Bradley. We had horrible leadership and president's who did not want successful programs. All it takes is a change in leadership and that is what we have now. Do you think anybody cares that Loyola was a pretty awful team in a weak conference for 50 years before the decision to take basketball seriously? The most successful schools outside of the Power 5 conference are private schools that don't have Football or who have non-scholarship Football. Loyola was invited because they are located in Chicago. Great marketing opportunity for the entire conference if they win. It was all about getting potential fans in the Chicagoland area and giving the other nine teams a reason to regularly play for exposure in the third market. Did you expect the Valley to take Wisconsin, Green Bay? Last I checked Drake is in Des Moines. Nice size population, but a pain in the a$$ and expensive destination. Remain a "Quad 1-2 " and schools might make the trip. Three years of winning under DD (and Marty) have erased your mind of how bad Drake was for years. Drake won 11 games in conference in 1990,91 and 92. Sadly, that was combined. Maybe the draw was the 5-13 in '89. I have two friends who went to Illinois and are now teaching at Loyola's MBA program. Huge Illini fans, they didn't care who won when they played in the tournament last month. They are loving Rambler basketball and now have an interest in the Valley. I give Marty, and team, huge points for going after the Des Moines community. Like my friends in Chicago, I believe Hawkeye and Cyclone fans in DM will support the program if the 'Dogs continue to offer a good product. Especially because we will not see Drake play Iowa and ISU in the regular season. I'm not suggesting a Miami of Ohio to get Cincinnati. The school is 40 minutes away in the middle of no where. As mentioned before, I'd like to see Belmont and St. Louis. Two schools that would help the Valley leave a foot print in nice size cities and growth to the conference. Loyola was invited because we desperately needed a team and they indicate they were willing to invest money in their program to bring it up to Valley level. But that is beside the point. The point was that nobody cares how bad Loyola WAS. Drake actually won 12 conference games during the seasons you reference. Just for comparison, Loyola won a total of 8 conference games during that same time frame. In fact, you would have to add the following two seasons victories for Loyola to reach 12 victories. They had twelve in FIVE years. Incidentally I have forgotten nothing. I sat through every home game in every one of those years. Agree, Loyola was willing to upgrade and make a commitment, and it was 12, not 11. YOU ARE CORRECT. 87-88 Record: 14-14 (5-9) 89-90 Record: 13-18 (5-9) 90-91 Record: 8-21 (4-12) 91-92 Record: 6-21 (3-15) Still, at that time, with the lack of vision/leadership in place at Drake, I think the school had little to offer that potential conference.
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+xI sat through those games also Drakey. Gave me an 8mm kidney stone that had to pass through Elvis. That's moving! I appreciate the commitment you both have made to the program. Mc B, I hope the past three years have brought you better health.
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Loyola picked up a commitment from Saint Thomas, a 6’6” forward from Omaha
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+xLoyola picked up a commitment from Saint Thomas, a 6’6” forward from Omaha Not the normal interest from other Midwest schools. Offer/interest from Mississippi St, SMU, TCU, Pepperdine, VCU and Virginia Tech to name a few.
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Perfect world for Drake and the Valley would be to drop two teams like Valpo/Illinois State/Evansville and add a 2/3 combo of St.Louis/Belmont/Murray State Don't have to split the cash any more and we get an upgrade on markets, exposure, and quality of the conference.
Of course that would never happen, especially with Valpo being the most recently added....but still, a man can dream
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@TrueBlue. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a league drop teams. The teams you mentioned have been down for a few years, but all have a decent basketball history. And, there’s more to their athletic departments than men’s b-ball.
If the MVC dropped schools because of poor stretch in men’s b-ball, Drake would have been out long ago. On the old MVC board (ValleyTalk), fans of other MVC teams routinely suggested dropping Drake from the league.
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+x@TrueBlue. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a league drop teams. The teams you mentioned have been down for a few years, but all have a decent basketball history. And, there’s more to their athletic departments than men’s b-ball.If the MVC dropped schools because of poor stretch in men’s b-ball, Drake would have been out long ago. On the old MVC board (ValleyTalk), fans of other MVC teams routinely suggested dropping Drake from the league. Fighting for Drake's honor & dignity even got some Bulldog fans banned from VT. Or at least some lengthy time outs ... guess who on DN was a eff'n moderator from Hades back then?
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+xPerfect world for Drake and the Valley would be to drop two teams like Valpo/Illinois State/Evansville and add a 2/3 combo of St.Louis/Belmont/Murray State Don't have to split the cash any more and we get an upgrade on markets, exposure, and quality of the conference. Of course that would never happen, especially with Valpo being the most recently added....but still, a man can dream How soon we forget. I know there are some on this board who grew up going to games in the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's. However, it's been pretty dark for a long time after that besides a few fun years w/Lew Lloyd and obviously the amazing Keno year. So just going back for the last 30 years, we are 388-506 overall. That is bad. We've had some memorably bad coaches, some very bad leadership at the top, etc. As DU Bulldog said, if the league was going to kick anyone out over the last 30 years it would have been us. Let's enjoy the ride w/DD as long as we have him. The current administration seems to be doing the right things.
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+x+xPerfect world for Drake and the Valley would be to drop two teams like Valpo/Illinois State/Evansville and add a 2/3 combo of St.Louis/Belmont/Murray State Don't have to split the cash any more and we get an upgrade on markets, exposure, and quality of the conference. Of course that would never happen, especially with Valpo being the most recently added....but still, a man can dream How soon we forget. I know there are some on this board who grew up going to games in the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's. However, it's been pretty dark for a long time after that besides a few fun years w/Lew Lloyd and obviously the amazing Keno year. So just going back for the last 30 years, we are 388-506 overall. That is bad. We've had some memorably bad coaches, some very bad leadership at the top, etc. As DU Bulldog said, if the league was going to kick anyone out over the last 30 years it would have been us. Let's enjoy the ride w/DD as long as we have him. The current administration seems to be doing the right things. Except for Kanaskie and Giacoletti we have been pretty mediocre. If you remove them we have been 303-300 during that period. I've not argued we have been good. My only argument is that it does not matter as evidenced by Loyola's record before the past few years.
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+x+x+xPerfect world for Drake and the Valley would be to drop two teams like Valpo/Illinois State/Evansville and add a 2/3 combo of St.Louis/Belmont/Murray State Don't have to split the cash any more and we get an upgrade on markets, exposure, and quality of the conference. Of course that would never happen, especially with Valpo being the most recently added....but still, a man can dream How soon we forget. I know there are some on this board who grew up going to games in the glory days of the late 60's and early 70's. However, it's been pretty dark for a long time after that besides a few fun years w/Lew Lloyd and obviously the amazing Keno year. So just going back for the last 30 years, we are 388-506 overall. That is bad. We've had some memorably bad coaches, some very bad leadership at the top, etc. As DU Bulldog said, if the league was going to kick anyone out over the last 30 years it would have been us. Let's enjoy the ride w/DD as long as we have him. The current administration seems to be doing the right things. Except for Kanaskie and Giacoletti we have been pretty mediocre. If you remove them we have been 303-300 during that period. I've not argued we have been good. My only argument is that it does not matter as evidenced by Loyola's record before the past few years. Except Kanaskie (96-03) and Giacoletti (2013-16)? Giac and Kanaskie were icing on the icing. Loyola, with a losing recent record, was invited because of one reason... location, location, location! It has been a win-win for both Loyola and the Valley. Loyola has brought the Valley back BIGLY to Chicago. The only way the Valley will strengthen brand is by winning in the NCAA tournament and growth in Nashville and St. Louis.
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Bradley has picked up Mikey Howell, a grad transfer from UC-San Diego. 6’3” guard who averaged 7 points and 6 assists per game this season.
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I don't understand why folks think SLU would ever think about moving conferences. They get more money, better institutional fits, and more eye balls with the A10.
What am I missing that makes them anything other than a hypothetical pipe dream?
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+xI don't understand why folks think SLU would ever think about moving conferences. They get more money, better institutional fits, and more eye balls with the A10. What am I missing that makes them anything other than a hypothetical pipe dream? Well those are all pluses. I have heard that their secondary sports and the cost of traveling to some of those places like St Bonaventure, Fordham, Davidson, you name it is incredibly expensive. The closest school is Dayton? Then St Joe? Just a thought.
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+x+xI don't understand why folks think SLU would ever think about moving conferences. They get more money, better institutional fits, and more eye balls with the A10. What am I missing that makes them anything other than a hypothetical pipe dream? Well those are all pluses. I have heard that their secondary sports and the cost of traveling to some of those places like St Bonaventure, Fordham, Davidson, you name it is incredibly expensive. The closest school is Dayton? Then St Joe? Just a thought. I understand the cost of travel is high. I've also read reports of some A10 schools that have at least looked at what getting out would like for those reasons. Haven't seen SLU on any of those lists - so I guess my question really is do they care about it enough to think about leaving? Or is this just more of a "if the A10 ever got poached during realignment" type of thing?
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Former Valpo player and Drake transfer prospect only in the eyes of me, Mileek McMillan, is headed to Western Michigan.
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Valpo picked up Thomas Kithier, a 6'8" transfer from Michigan State
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Cooper Neece, who had entered the transfer portal, has decided to return to Indiana State
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Cameron Krutwig has decided to turn pro, rather than coming back to Loyola for his extra year.
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