PFL Offseason Thread 2020


PFL Offseason Thread 2020

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Leaving a discussion of Drake for later, what's going on elsewhere in the league?

Butler - Five returning defensive starters from arguably the worst team in D-I.  Haven't heard anything on their recruiting.

Davidson - LB Harrison Hill transferred to Cincinnati.  2020 recruiting class includes three individuals (CB, WR, and QB) who each got 3-star ratings from the major websites.  

Dayton - They're bringing in a typical Flyer recruiting class of 37 overlooked players, with only one coming from west of the Missouri River.

Marist - Quarterback JW Hertzberg, from South Carolina, is the best of their otherwise ordinary recruiting class.

Morehead State - The Eagles got seven transfers, including four from the defunct Jacksonville program.  BJ Byrd was All-PFL last season at JU, and will help as both a receiver and return man.  Virginia Tech transfer Carter Rivenburg redshirted last year, but had 3,000 rushing yards and 42 touchdowns as a high school senior; 5,000 yards and over 60 TDs in his h.s. career (!).  Yes, he played against some small town football teams.

San Diego - Mason Randall will probably be the Toreros' new starting quarterback.  All of USD's starting offensive linemen are slated to return.  Also coming back will be running backs Terrence Smith and Emilio Martinez, tight end Dalton Kincaid, and receiver Alex Spadone. On defense, eight starters will be back, including the front four.  Michael Bandy has finished his USD career, which may allow the returning players to fit under the team's salary cap. San Diego's recruiting class was again at or near the top of league. Head Coach Dale Lindsey, who will be nearly 78 years old when the playoffs begin, might give some thought of going out on top (i.e. retiring).  If his team runs the table in the PFL again this year, San Diego will top the 44-game conference winning streak of the 1950s Oklahoma Sooners - possibly breaking a D-I record.

Stetson - It's been a quiet offseason for the Hatters, who picked up the PFL's 2019 Freshman Defensive Player of the Year, Ethan Hull, from Jacksonville.

Valparaiso - With over 50 new recruits, Valpo keeps the revolving door spinning.




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LurkingDog - 2/12/2020
Leaving a discussion of Drake for later, what's going on elsewhere in the league?

Butler - Five returning defensive starters from arguably the worst team in D-I.  Haven't heard anything on their recruiting.

Davidson - LB Harrison Hill transferred to Cincinnati.  2020 recruiting class includes three individuals (CB, WR, and QB) who each got 3-star ratings from the major websites.  

Dayton - They're bringing in a typical Flyer recruiting class of 37 overlooked players, with only one coming from west of the Missouri River.

Marist - Quarterback JW Hertzberg, from South Carolina, is the best of their otherwise ordinary recruiting class.

Morehead State - The Eagles got seven transfers, including four from the defunct Jacksonville program.  BJ Byrd was All-PFL last season at JU, and will help as both a receiver and return man.  Virginia Tech transfer Carter Rivenburg redshirted last year, but had 3,000 rushing yards and 42 touchdowns as a high school senior; 5,000 yards and over 60 TDs in his h.s. career (!).  Yes, he played against some small town football teams.

San Diego - Mason Randall will probably be the Toreros' new starting quarterback.  All of USD's starting offensive linemen are slated to return.  Also coming back will be running backs Terrence Smith and Emilio Martinez, tight end Dalton Kincaid, and receiver Alex Spadone. On defense, eight starters will be back, including the front four.  Michael Bandy has finished his USD career, which may allow the returning players to fit under the team's salary cap. San Diego's recruiting class was again at or near the top of league. Head Coach Dale Lindsey, who will be nearly 78 years old when the playoffs begin, might give some thought of going out on top (i.e. retiring).  If his team runs the table in the PFL again this year, San Diego will top the 44-game conference winning streak of the 1950s Oklahoma Sooners - possibly breaking a D-I record.

Stetson - It's been a quiet offseason for the Hatters, who picked up the PFL's 2019 Freshman Defensive Player of the Year, Ethan Hull, from Jacksonville.

Valparaiso - With over 50 new recruits, Valpo keeps the revolving door spinning.

San Diego is light years ahead of everybody else in the league. They will be dominant again next year...I'd say in the 10-1 neighborhood. Their offensive line might be the best in the history of the PFL, opening holes for 2 really good running backs and giving a new quarterback all the time he needs. Spadone and Kincaid are terrific targets with Carner and Dondoyano being other solid receivers. Defensively, their speed is far superior to anyone else in the league, which means they will be fast, tough, strong, and well-coached.

They occasionally take a half or week off, but when focused, they are simply in another class than the others in the PFL. It's painful for me to say that, but sometimes the truth hurts.



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And what's the Drake recap??
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DawgsRus1132 - 2/13/2020
And what's the Drake recap??

I really like this class. It's a bigger-than-usual class in numbers with 36 right now (a couple more could be added) with some tweaks. Speed at the receiver position has been added, but those guys aren't as big.

The offensive line recruiting has been tweaked a little, with size (height, mainly) not as important as ability and other things.

The linebacker group appears to be a very good one.

The quarterbacks are both drop back passers, not dual-threats, and the running backs are very different in styles.

I would put this class in the second tier with Dayton and Davidson. Word is both those schools are very pleased with their classes. San Diego is #1, as usual.

Butler, Marist, Morehead St., Valpo, appear to have brought in their usual classes, and I never know how to rate Stetson. With recruiting, though, you'll know a lot more in a couple of years...
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So why does San Diego have such a hold on the PFL over the last 8/9years... what can some of the other teams like Drake, Dayton, etc do to take over over the mantle from SD and win the PFL? Coaching, recruiting, money, cheating, etc??
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DawgsRus1132 - 2/13/2020
So why does San Diego have such a hold on the PFL over the last 8/9years... what can some of the other teams like Drake, Dayton, etc do to take over over the mantle from SD and win the PFL? Coaching, recruiting, money, cheating, etc??

Well, let's ask Big 10 teams about Ohio State, or ACC teams about Clemson...

They have 10 full-time assistant coaches, which is a huge advantage. They have the best recruiting base in the league. They are winning, which almost all kids want to be a part of...and the campus and weather are fantastic.

They have had it rolling ever since Harbaugh went there, and as long as Dale Lindsey stays, they'll be really good.

And Drake is not going to cheat.
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Sorry sounds like a cop out... ACC- Clemson up until 5 years ago couldn't beat Florida St, I'll give you Ohio St as it's been decades of prominence, but it doesn't mean other teams don't win their share from time to time. 10 full time assistant coaches is great, but is that a huge disparity from all the other schools and why are they able to have 10 and others don't? While Ca. has some great football players, i wouldn't say the recruiting base is completely tilted their way... many other teams can recruit the whole US (whether they do or not is a different story) and SD has a the third lowest acceptance rate in the PFL.  What do the other teams need to do...and let's not be generic and say get better players. Is it size, speed, coaching, money, scheme? What and why have all the PFL teams failed? 
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DawgsRus1132 - 2/13/2020
So why does San Diego have such a hold on the PFL over the last 8/9years... what can some of the other teams like Drake, Dayton, etc do to take over over the mantle from SD and win the PFL? Coaching, recruiting, money, cheating, etc??

San Diego did cheat (2013 and probably several years prior).  And they may still be cheating, but USD has presumably dealt with the employees who ratted them out.  The PFL commissioner is the Valley's women's sports and MVFC person.  She doesn't want to be the PFL commissioner, and she will Sgt. Schultz anything having to do with rules enforcement.  Since I can't change that, I don't care a whit about USD.

However, if Drake was the only private school FCS program west of the Rockies, was located in the nation's most populous state, had great weather + a large, experienced coaching staff and a recent history of championships...the Bulldogs might be on par with the Toreros.  We can't change where Drake is located.  Solutions to the other problems would require more money.



And I still contend that scheduling makes a difference.  To the outside world, you are who you play.  Drake is schlepping out to Siberia for paychecks, then playing a token home game against a Division II opponent.  San Diego may have to accept the wrong end of a 2-for-1, but since Harbaugh, they have only played one paycheck game (San Diego State).  They play Ivy League teams home-home.  They're giving Georgetown a check to complete their schedule, in much the same way as Drake tosses coins to William Jewell.  So I guess scheduling is also a funding issue.



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Thanks... and I maintained earlier when talking about scheduling that Drake should play more appropriate/middle of the pack FCS schools....  Is money the major issue what is the budget for a PFL or what should it be?  I would think Football at schools PFL schools while they take a backseat to basketball are still an important part of the University and should be supported/maintained.  Where are all the Former Drake Football players that have made big $$ ?
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LurkingDog - 2/14/2020
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So why does San Diego have such a hold on the PFL over the last 8/9years... what can some of the other teams like Drake, Dayton, etc do to take over over the mantle from SD and win the PFL? Coaching, recruiting, money, cheating, etc??

San Diego did cheat (2013 and probably several years prior).  And they may still be cheating, but USD has presumably dealt with the employees who ratted them out.  The PFL commissioner is the Valley's women's sports and MVFC person.  She doesn't want to be the PFL commissioner, and she will Sgt. Schultz anything having to do with rules enforcement.  Since I can't change that, I don't care a whit about USD.

However, if Drake was the only private school FCS program west of the Rockies, was located in the nation's most populous state, had great weather + a large, experienced coaching staff and a recent history of championships...the Bulldogs might be on par with the Toreros.  We can't change where Drake is located.  Solutions to the other problems would require more money.



And I still contend that scheduling makes a difference.  To the outside world, you are who you play.  Drake is schlepping out to Siberia for paychecks, then playing a token home game against a Division II opponent.  San Diego may have to accept the wrong end of a 2-for-1, but since Harbaugh, they have only played one paycheck game (San Diego State).  They play Ivy League teams home-home.  They're giving Georgetown a check to complete their schedule, in much the same way as Drake tosses coins to William Jewell.  So I guess scheduling is also a funding issue.

Scheduling is directly, 100%, no doubt about it, absolutely, a funding issue.
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Here are some numbers from the the federal government's Equity in Athletics website.  The first column is Drake, second is USD, third is Davidson, fourth is Dayton...
Line 2 is football expenses.   Not sure what fiscal year this comes from--maybe two years ago.

 Dayton is the only one of the four I listed that does not own its stadium.







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Thank you...so according to this Drake & Dayton are about the same on Football expense, and Davidson & USD are about the same... So according to 1981 we need to raise $500k a year to compete with USD? Didn't Drake just pony up $4m to help build a new stadium? Doesn't seem to me that $$ is the biggest factor/ driver here...   
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As a percentage of the football budget, $500k is significant.  

Nonetheless, it seems you are saying that in the grand scheme, Drake can come up with extra funds to hire more coaches and play a proper schedule.  Maybe Drake isn't valuing/prioritizing this football program as it should.

I would agree.



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LurkingDog - 2/14/2020
As a percentage of the football budget, $500k is significant.  

Nonetheless, it seems you are saying that in the grand scheme, Drake can come up with extra funds to hire more coaches and play a proper schedule.  Maybe Drake isn't valuing/prioritizing football as it should.

I would agree.

The greatest value to Drake University that football has, is that it brings 30+ new male students to Drake. Admissions loves football for that. (by the way, that's close to 10% of the freshman male class)

What happens on the field, wins & losses, attendance, etc. are of no real value to the University.

It's sad, but true.
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1981 and this is based on your opinion? Does the new AD and relatively new president share those feelings? How about the new HC ? What happened to of your going to do something be the best you can be at it?! Isn’t that what Drake U stands for? I’m sure the players who sacrifice their time and bodies would feel the same. 
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DawgsRus1132 - 2/14/2020
1981 and this is based on your opinion? Does the new AD and relatively new president share those feelings? How about the new HC ? What happened to of your going to do something be the best you can be at it?! Isn’t that what Drake U stands for? I’m sure the players who sacrifice their time and bodies would feel the same. 

Yes, it is my opinion based on things I know and have seen.
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1981Drakefan - 2/14/2020


What happens on the field, wins & losses, attendance, etc. are of no real value to the University.



First I read the news of Chuck Shelton's passing.

Then Dina Meyer hits me with a Valentine's Day restraining order.

Now you have confirmed one of my worst suspicions about Drake University.

This hasn't been a good day.  I'm now going to drink heavily.



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What happens on the field, wins & losses, attendance, etc. are of no real value to the University.



First I read the news of Chuck Shelton's passing.

Then Dina Meyer hits me with a Valentine's Day restraining order.

Now you have confirmed one of my worst suspicions about Drake University.

This hasn't been a good day.  I'm now going to drink heavily.

Add one more on for me.
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And where does the Drake Relay money go? What about the $4mil for the new stadium? Something doesn't add up...
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DawgsRus1132 - 2/14/2020
And where does the Drake Relay money go? What about the $4mil for the new stadium? Something doesn't add up...

The Drake Relays money goes to the Drake Relays. The $4 million for the new stadium goes to the proposed new stadium which will be an on-campus facility for men's and women's soccer. The $5 million gift to women's basketball goes to women's basketball. The big gift to men's basketball goes to men's basketball.

Unlike other schools, Drake football is 4th in line at best....Men's BB, the Drake Relays, Women's BB, and then football.
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