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| I would be in favor of at least expansion to 68 teams (or more in favor of going back to 64 if it does not expand). It has always bothered me that the bracket was unbalanced. You should either have 4 play-in games or none.
If it does expand to 96 teams (which from the articles I read seems possible) the rules should be....
Automatic Bids
1) 2 bids per conferences - 32 conferences, 64 Bids
2) Conference tournament champion gets auto bid and bye - gives incentive for regular season champion to play hard in tournament
3) Conference regular season champion gets auto bid - if same as tournament champion, than conference regular season runner-up gets bid to put meaning on the regular season
At Large Bids
1) 32 total teams
2) Must have winning record
3) Must meet two of the three requirements: have 20 overall wins, have .500 conference record, be ranked in the top 96 in RPI's
4) No conference should be allowed more than 2/3 of conference in tournament.
If we are expanding to allow more mid-majors who deserve to be in the opportunity to play, I'm in. If it is to get 14 Big East teams, 9 Big Ten teams, 10 Big Twelve teams, 10 ACC teams, 10 SEC teams, and 8 Pacific Ten teams, I'm out. |
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| Expansion to 96 very likely will happen, money is the reason IMO. I doubt any significant changes are made to the at large process. The concern for the Valley is scheduling better opponents. The BCS teams have no upside to scheduling home and away with Valley teams, unrealistic to expect that to change.
Need more arrangements with the better mid major conferences. Want to be an atlarge? Its who did you beat. Wins over other NCAA teams are the most important criteria IMO. Out of conference wins over bottom 200 teams don't help.
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| The selection committee made choices based on wins against NCAA teams and SOS.
Schedule up or win the automatic bid.
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| If the tournament was expanded to 96 and you went by my criteria, the below teams would qualify...
Automatic Qualifier & Bye (Conference Tournament Champs)
Rank Team Conference Record
1 Kansas Big 12 32-2
2 Kentucky Southeastern 32-2
3 Duke Atlantic Coast 29-5
4 West Virginia Big East 27-6
8 Temple Atlantic 10 29-5
12 Butler Horizon 28-4
17 UNI Missouri Valley 28-4
18 San Diego St. Mountain West 25-8
22 Ohio St. Big Ten 27-7
27 Old Dominion Colonial 26-8
31 Siena Metro Atlantic 27-6
35 St. Mary's (CA) West Coast 26-5
41 Washington Pacific-10 24-9
46 Cornell Ivy 27-4
51 New Mexico St. WAC 22-11
52 Oakland Summit 26-8
57 Murray St. OVC 30-4
69 Wofford Southern 26-8
70 Sam Houston St. Southland 25-7
94 UC Santa Barbara Big West 20-9
95 Ohio Mid-American 21-14
97 Montana Big Sky 22-9
103 Morgan St. Mid-Eastern 27-9
104 North Texas Sun Belt 24-8
110 Houston C-USA 19-15
118 Vermont America East 25-9
121 East Tenn. St. Atlantic Sun 20-14
129 Robert Morris Northeast 23-11
152 Lehigh Patriot 22-10
160 Winthrop Big South 19-13
183 Ark.-Pine Bluff Southwestern 17-15
216 South Dakota Great West 22-9
Automatic Qualifier (Conference Regular Season Champs or Runner-UP)
Rank Team Conference Record
5 Syracuse Big East 28-4
6 Kansas St. Big 12 26-7
10 New Mexico Mountain West 29-4
16 Purdue Big Ten 27- 5
19 Xavier Atlantic 10 24-8
20 California Pacific-10 23-10
24 Maryland Atlantic Coast 23-8
30 Utah St. WAC 27-7
36 Gonzaga West Coast 26-6
39 UTEP C-USA 26-6
43 Wichita St. Missouri Valley 25-9
47 Kent St. Mid-American 23-9
55 Mississippi St. Southeastern 23-11
74 Northeastern Colonial 20-12
80 Wright St. Horizon 20-12
81 Fairfield Metro Atlantic 22-10
83 IUPUI Summit 24-10
84 Morehead St. OVC 23-10
86 Weber St. Big Sky 20-10
102 Appalachian St. Southern 22-12
109 Troy Sun Belt 20-12
128 Pacific Big West 20-11
133 Princeton Ivy 20-8
137 Coastal Caro. Big South 28-6
141 Stony Brook America East 22-9
148 Quinnipiac Northeast 23-9
151 Stephen F. Austin Southland 23-9
192 Seattle Great West 17-14
199 Jackson St. Southwestern 19-12
207 Lipscomb Atlantic Sun 17-13
209 Lafayette Patriot 19-13
214 Delaware St. Mid-Eastern 17-12
At-Large
Rank Team Conference Record
7 Georgetown Big East 23-10
8 Baylor Big 12 25-7
11 Villanova Big East 24-7
13 Texas A&M Big 12 23-9
14 Tennessee Southeastern 25-8
15 Pittsburgh Big East 24-8
21 Wisconsin Big Ten 23-8
23 BYU Mountain West 29-5
22 Richmond Atlantic 10 26-8
25 Vanderbilt Southeastern 24-8
28 Michigan St. Big Ten 24-8
29 Texas Big 12 24-9
32 Oklahoma St. Big 12 22-10
33 Georgia Tech Atlantic Coast 22-12
34 Clemson Atlantic Coast 21-10
37 Louisville Big East 20-12
38 Wake Forest Atlantic Coast 19-10
40 Rhode Island Atlantic 10 23-9
42 Florida St. Atlantic Coast 22-9
44 Missouri Big 12 22-10
45 UAB C-USA 23-8
48 UNLV Mountain West 25-8
49 Notre Dame Big East 23-11
50 Marquette Big East 22-11
53 Memphis C-USA 23-9
54 Dayton Atlantic 10 20-12
56 Florida Southeastern 21-12
58 William & Mary Colonial 22-10
60 Seton Hall Big East 19-12
61 Mississippi Southeastern 21-10
60 Minnesota Big Ten 21-13
65 Arizona St. Pacific-10 22-10
The seeding would be hard with the bye to the conference tournament winner. The Valley would only get two teams in this format |
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| One choice is left off of the poll: ALL teams
End March Sadness: Let 'Em All Play
"I say it's time to let 'em all play. All 330-odd NCAA Division 1 schools should have a ticket to the Big Dance...I know what you're thinking: That would take forever. In fact, it would take just two additional games to expand a 64-team tournament to a 256-team tournament. If you factor in byes, that's no big deal."
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| Gottleib (ESPN, brother of former Bulldog) just said leave it at 64, but force the last 4 at large teams to play in play in games for the last 2 spots. I like the idea.
Can't imagine it going to 96. Would give the committee another excuse to play all the mid-majors against each other.
Keep as is.
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| The expand to 96 vs. leave it alone with 65 is a question that will be answered by money and only money. Here is the landscape:
- The current CBS March Madness TV rights deal is 11 years long and worth about $6 billion total. The existing TV deal expires after the 2013 Final Four, but following the 2010 Final Four the NCAA has the right to opt out of the current deal. This would end the current deal two years early, as a point of reference those two years represent about $2.3 billion in broadcast rights fees.
- Why would the NCAA opt-out? ESPN has expressed great interest in the March Madness rights and due to their dual reveune stream (ad sales & carrier fees) they have extremely deep pockets and can afford to outbid CBS. About 90% of the total yearly NCAA reveune comes from the March Madness broadcast rights.
- The NCAA wants to increase the broadcast fee, but in all reality in the current format the fee has just about reached its max. Thus, in order to secure a higher fee the only choice is to add more games, thus increasing the commerical inveotory for the broadcast network to sell.
- What happens if the NCAA opts out of the existing deal (this means that the tourney will probably see more teams)? ESPN is probably prepared to bid for the rights & CBS is going to put up a fight for them. Given that ESPN can easily outbid CBS, CBS is exploring taking on a cable partner for the rights. In all likelyhood the CBS partner will be TNT. TNT brings deep sports experience to the table (NBA and NASCAR) and like ESPN they have a dual revenue stream. From what I have heard, Round 1-Elite 8 would be shared between CBS/TNT with the Final 4 and Champ game alternating each year between networks. Which ever network carries the Final 4 and Champ game will pay for 60% of that years righs fee with the other network paying for 40%.
Lastly, the current rate for a national 30 second commerical during March Madness - Early rounds $100,000 Champ Game $1,000,000. |
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| | I think to get an at large bid you need to finish better than .500 in your conference. Too many BCS schools play cupcakes to pad their win total and then play mediocre in the conference and get a bid. |
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