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| | I haven't said much about this team and coaching. Been hoping that the improvement would continue. Hasn't.. The things I would bitch about are I'm so sick of a zone defense that makes any decent 3 point shooter look like a 1st team all american. where's the freaking press if you can't match up in talant and experience you need to use other tactics. We Don't.. When someone is 0 for a game and a half you let him sit and think about it. At half time sometimes you adjust the linepu to who is playing well for the game. Yesterday that was Hawley who he didn't reenter until later in the second half. Was Reece hurt? It's a physical game and you don't play one of your stronger players. Where's the offensive rebounds we turn and run to do what? set up a piss poor zone? Ther's more but that's enough. I know this won't help but maybe I'll feel better. Don't get me wrong I want our team and Phelps to succeed but It's hard to see how that is going to happen. |
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| If anyone thinks this isn't a replay of last year's season, raise your hand. As evidence:
Totally off the tracks the 2nd half of the season (read: 2nd time playing an opponent)
Beginning of 2nd half of just about every game being a nightmare
Losing at home to E (even if on last second prayer, there is NO reason D should even be that position)
Playing in the 8/9 game in STL
Top recruiting class coming in
I read this book last year. Regretfully, I think I know the ending and it could mean I blow a precious vacation day friday in STL. I would much rather watch D-UNI, but I'm struggling to see how that will happen.
SIU 67
D 52
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| | Where do I start? 13-18 overall record, w/2 unexplainable losses at home to SIU-Edwardsville & Evansville (on senior night as well.) A very down year in the Valley, & we still finish 8th. People who think Phelps is making progress w/his 2nd 8th place finish in a row w/another one on the way next year. A coach who either can't or won't make adjustments to a style of play that doesn't work. Letting the other team dictate the pace of play by continuing to be the more passive team & sitting in that damn 1-3-1 zone defense. Losing in the play-in game St. Louis. Having 3 all valley players the last 2 years in Cox, Young & Templeton & not figuring out how to build a team around them. |
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| This will sound a bit repetitious after my posts under the DU-Evansville thread, but I'm planning to take a break from the board for awhile so I'll go ahead and say it.
After the 4 or 5 week teaser that we had earlier in the season, we're back to being stuck in the mud. In retrospect, I think I gave Coach Phelps too much credit for bringing along a young team when, in fact, a great deal of our success was attributable to two of our seniors, AT and JY.
When you think back to last season, it's hard to believe that team ended up one game over 500. After seeing what AT is capable of doing, the 08-09 team should have been one of the best teams in the MVC. Bucky, JY, AT, Stanley, Heemskerk, Josh Parker -- and we finish near the bottom of the league? That's ridiculous. It appeared to me that Phelps simply refused to adjust to the talent he inherited. He insisted on implementing his style of play, even though he had a team full of upperclassmen. Why? What purpose was served? I could understand if he was breaking in a bunch of young players who would be in his system for 3 or 4 years, but he didn't have a single one of his recruits until this year. Last year was just wasted.
We're in the same place as we were at the end of last season. And we can't use the excuse that this is a "young team"; not when three of our top players are seniors and RW is a junior.
I'm sure I will regain my enthusiasm as next season approaches and we get our new recruits. Right now, I'm just very discouraged.
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| | I guessed 14 wins at the beginning of the season and was excoriated for it. In retrospect, was I being criticized for being too optimistic? Really, 13 is close to 14. Could be worse, could be women's program. I see some progress with the men's program. Women's? Not so much. |
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| I'm not going down the Coach P road, he signed a four-year deal, and is going no where. He's much better than Kanaskie and even though he doesn't press like Dr. T (can't compare to Keno because Providence doesn't press either), his schemes are not that different that 80% of the rest of the country. The players seem to like him and he's bringing in great recruits, good players make good coaches. So for me it's not about Coach P. When his contract is due, it might be then, but for now he's our guy and I'm sticking with him.
The biggest disappointment for me the whole year was the play we got out of the 3. For the first half of the year, coach tried to go with youth at this spot and it consistently broke down on both ends of the floor. Coach showed flexibility by going with a 3 guard lineup and put RW in the spot -- just like last year when he put Josh Parker there. The results were immediately better on both ends, but as the season wore on and after RW hurt his ankle, the weaknesses were again exposed.
I found the play at the 3 especially disappointing in light of the improvement I saw with some of the other freshmen, in particular Seth VD and Reece U, and the breakdowns that occurred in all aspects all season long. There needs to be improvement in all aspects of the play at the 3 position, mentally and physically. If it does not happen, next year will be another disappointing one.
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| | Is this an appropriate place to post about the radio coverage of the game the other day on KRNT? Maybe this has already been mentioned on another thread, but did anyone else have a problem with how the final sequence was called by the radio announcers? I know that criticizing the announcers is a touchy subject especially considering that the color guy is one of our own, but I thought that the Aces had missed the shot and the game was going to overtime before the shot was actually even taken. I was more upset about the call than I was the outcome. Not really. Losing is worse than a poorly announced game, but it still pissed me off. |
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| Gordon Gottschalk (3/1/2010)
I'm not going down the Coach P road, he signed a four-year deal, and is going no where. He's much better than Kanaskie and even though he doesn't press like Dr. T (can't compare to Keno because Providence doesn't press either), his schemes are not that different that 80% of the rest of the country. The players seem to like him and he's bringing in great recruits, good players make good coaches. So for me it's not about Coach P. When his contract is due, it might be then, but for now he's our guy and I'm sticking with him.
Completely agree, in most sports, talent wins out most of the time. If Phelps can get better players in here, then the pressure of his coaching becomes smaller. In basketball, it seems more like a bad team will only need 1 or 2 players to become a contender, and hopefully that is what Phelps is doing since next year the entire team will be "his players."
I will admit the higher level basketball that is played in this country (the top 10 teams and NBA) the coach is more of a game manager and a guy to keep the players' egos in check, where as in a mid-major, the coach has more of a direct impact to develop a "team," but I say give Phelps his 4 years, and we can re-evaluate then.
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| kingnort (3/1/2010)
Is this an appropriate place to post about the radio coverage of the game the other day on KRNT? Maybe this has already been mentioned on another thread, but did anyone else have a problem with how the final sequence was called by the radio announcers? I know that criticizing the announcers is a touchy subject especially considering that the color guy is one of our own, but I thought that the Aces had missed the shot and the game was going to overtime before the shot was actually even taken. I was more upset about the call than I was the outcome. Not really. Losing is worse than a poorly announced game, but it still pissed me off.
I was extremely confused. Was Dolph playing with us or did he legitimately think that time had run out and we were going to OT? He missed by about 2 or 3 seconds. Very confusing and it did make the final outcome actually worse as I mentally counted on overtime briefly after he counted out the time and said no shot.
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Is this an appropriate place to post about the radio coverage of the game the other day on KRNT? Maybe this has already been mentioned on another thread, but did anyone else have a problem with how the final sequence was called by the radio announcers? I know that criticizing the announcers is a touchy subject especially considering that the color guy is one of our own, but I thought that the Aces had missed the shot and the game was going to overtime before the shot was actually even taken. I was more upset about the call than I was the outcome. Not really. Losing is worse than a poorly announced game, but it still pissed me off.I was extremely confused. Was Dolph playing with us or did he legitimately think that time had run out and we were going to OT? He missed by about 2 or 3 seconds. Very confusing and it did make the final outcome actually worse as I mentally counted on overtime briefly after he counted out the time and said no shot......I thought maybe I was crazy in hearing what I did.
Since I was at the game, I didn't hear the radio call, but...........our radio team isn't very good.
I like Dolph.
I like Larry.
But, they're over the top in their 'homerism' and they spend too much time talking about things that aren't describing what's going on in the game. Dolph complains way too much about the refs. Just tell me what's happening on the court, that's all I ask. When I listen to away games, I'm often completely confused as to what's going on.
"Oh, what a great pass by Josh Young". Cool. Who did the pass go to? Did they score off of that pass? Inquiring minds want to know.
Too many calls similar to the one above.
It's one thing on a TV broadcast....we can see what's going on. On the radio, you gotta tell us. I don't want constant editorializing about how the announcers saw the play.....just tell me how the play was actually called. Don't tell me that the opposition traveled unless it's actually been called by the officials. Don't tell me that the Drake player was fouled on the shot, unless it's been called. Maybe mention that after the play is over, but it just confuses me when they say so-and-so got fouled and next thing I know the opponent has the ball. Once you've told me that there was a foul, I'm assuming we're either taking the ball out of bounds or shooting free throws.
I'll never forget the ending of the DU vs BU game in Peoria during the 2007-08 season......the one where Emmenecker missed the potential game winning shot, but Bucky tipped the ball right back to him.....and then he missed again, and Bucky tipped the ball back to him again.....and he finally made the 3rd shot as time expired. I knew Drake had won the game by the excitement level in their voices, and by the crowd reaction. But, I had absolutely no idea what had actually happened.
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| I concur with much that's been said here about the overall season so I'm taking a different angle: the marketing department. I get that they're trying to attract students with giveaways and contests, but I honestly liked the little kids participating in the timeout activities better. And that rubber chicken throwing game is asinine.
I understand that Saturday was Senior Night but was it really necessary to have the seniors sit there after the game and sign autographs? They were already miserable about the outcome, waited through the extra time added for JY's sendoff, then have to extend their time with the autograph session.
Halftime activities have been few and far between, other than the requisite "honor the big donors" roll call. With as many interns as there seem to be, planning has to improve for audience games, activities, and untimely autograph sessions.
So there's my beef! haha
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| I'll take Dolph and Larry all day. I think they do a great job. Most of you batch about everything, anything, and whatever you can.
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| | yes, i suppose it is selfish to want to hear a basketball game accurately depicted on the radio. |
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| That's the spirit !!! I know many people who moan and groan about the radio broadcasts. IMO Dolph and Larry are part of the basketball program, particuarly Dolph. Are they the best announcers in the world? No. But I still don't want to throw either one of them under the bus. You want to go after someone, go after Perrault or most other sports media guys in Des Moines. At least these guys bleed blue. I bet they each get paid a ton of money for this job too.  Kay-rist ... I listen to other schools announcers and they aren't so perfect either. I'm sure DUBUlldog would like some Chicago prack calling the the games. The guy with Bradley ... I can't understand what the heck he's saying most of the time. Just remember, you can be sorry for what you wish for. I think a homer announcer comes with the territory. To each their own but I think Dolph and Larry are great.
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| Great post McB! We could all be stuck with KABOOM! Larry and Dolph are fabulous.
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| | Saying that you'd like someone (Dolph and Larry) is not saying you'd like to see them fired or not "bleeding Blue." I think it is legitimate criticism. |
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| In defense of Dolph at the end of the game. Everyone sitting around me had the same reaction. It was almost a denial that the shot counted for about 5 seconds. Then I heard several people around me say, "they better check that, I wonder if it counted", or, "I don't think he got if off in time."
I know they can suck sometimes and that's just the way it is. I still wouldn't trade them for anyone anyone else.
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| [quote]Mc Bulldog (3/1/2010)
In defense of Dolph at the end of the game. Everyone sitting around me had the same reaction. It was almost a denial that the shot counted for about 5 seconds. Then I heard several people around me say, "they better check that, I wonder if it counted", or, "I don't think he got if off in time."
I know they can suck sometimes and that's just the way it is. I still wouldn't trade them for anyone anyone else.[/quote]
The way I remember the call is the Dolph counted the game down. Said no shot and then Larry correctly called the last shot as it occurred. I think Larry got it right and timely, but I'm not sure what Dolph was doing.
And I didn't call for anyone's head - just stating that listening to the radio at the end of the game was very confusing. But saying that - Dolph could reduce his that shoulda been a foul or travel statements. He protests too much so he loses credibility with us as we don't know if we are getting screwed or not. |
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| I have listened to other MVC broadcasters, and listened to other mid-major games on the radio, and when you compare Dolph and Larry to those other announcers, they look pretty good. I've heard other announcers who are far bigger homers. I've heard other announcers give even less play by play. There might even be a good number of announcers making fewer game-calling errors wither fewer grammatical mistakes. But I doubt there are any who love their mediocre team with as much enthusiasm as these two guys, and I love that. A lot.
Give me Dolp and Larry any day. |
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