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| [quote]rawdawg (2/7/2010)
Players put the ball in the hole. The guys in the ties put them in position to be successful to the best of their abilities. For two years I have watched, like many of you, and without biting my tongue, have pointed at the guys in the ties as being the major problem we have at this time. We have already proven that we
can win with the players we have now...... the youth "LIE" is over.... we have beaten TOP MVC Teams...
What I call "Friendly Fire" ( unwarranted and unnecessary substitutions), struck last night early and often.
Our two star general rolled the first grenade into the tent about the 2-3 minute mark and it continued as it
had in the previous 14 unsuccessful campaigns.
How can you say that Rawdawg? It's documented !! Our runs vs. their runs.... Yes, we have corrected
and cleaned up some of our two star general's "Friendly Fire" and salvaged some victories.
Those of you that are Dawg Tired with the situation need only wait until next season....... I will assure you,
you don't know frustration and what Dawg Tired really is...... there want be enough BALLS to go around.
Hey, relax ....it's only a GAME...... forget that someone actually gets PAID to orchestrate this madness.
The sun will come out in the morning. GO DOGS......!![/quote]
Raw, Raw, Raw: You tell others they ought to be ashamed?
1. YOU ought to be ashamed. The sun doesn't come out in YOUR world.
2. I can't wait for you to graduate and go away.
3. You obviously would be a much better Division 1 basketball coach than "our two star general". Just ask you, right?
4. Armchair coaches with 20-20 make me sick, and I'm about to vomit.
5. Forget the dam...d substitution! Even children of blind parents can't play 40 minutes effectively. If we make 75% of our free throws as a team, and the front end of one and ones, we would have won several more games. No matter how bad you think the coaching is.
6. Sadly, I would guess that you might be happy with failure. Certainly you will be next year. Well, next year stay off our board.
We are here for the ride. All is not perfect, never has been, never will be, but you are so hypocritical that you would fit well in Obama's Cabinet.
(Now THAT is a personal attack!)
PLEASE GO AWAY, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING EVERYONE WHO KNOWS YOU.
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| [quote]hoosierbulldog (2/8/2010)
[quote]rawdawg (2/7/2010)
Players put the ball in the hole. The guys in the ties put them in position to be successful to the best of their abilities. For two years I have watched, like many of you, and without biting my tongue, have pointed at the guys in the ties as being the major problem we have at this time. We have already proven that we
can win with the players we have now...... the youth "LIE" is over.... we have beaten TOP MVC Teams...
What I call "Friendly Fire" ( unwarranted and unnecessary substitutions), struck last night early and often.
Our two star general rolled the first grenade into the tent about the 2-3 minute mark and it continued as it
had in the previous 14 unsuccessful campaigns.
How can you say that Rawdawg? It's documented !! Our runs vs. their runs.... Yes, we have corrected
and cleaned up some of our two star general's "Friendly Fire" and salvaged some victories.
Those of you that are Dawg Tired with the situation need only wait until next season....... I will assure you,
you don't know frustration and what Dawg Tired really is...... there want be enough BALLS to go around.
Hey, relax ....it's only a GAME...... forget that someone actually gets PAID to orchestrate this madness.
The sun will come out in the morning. GO DOGS......!![/quote]
Raw, Raw, Raw: You tell others they ought to be ashamed?
1. YOU ought to be ashamed. The sun doesn't come out in YOUR world.
2. I can't wait for you to graduate and go away.
3. You obviously would be a much better Division 1 basketball coach than "our two star general". Just ask you, right?
4. Armchair coaches with 20-20 make me sick, and I'm about to vomit.
5. Forget the dam...d substitution! Even children of blind parents can't play 40 minutes effectively. If we make 75% of our free throws as a team, and the front end of one and ones, we would have won several more games. No matter how bad you think the coaching is.
6. Sadly, I would guess that you might be happy with failure. Certainly you will be next year. Well, next year stay off our board.
We are here for the ride. All is not perfect, never has been, never will be, but you are so hypocritical that you would fit well in Obama's Cabinet.
(Now THAT is a personal attack!)
PLEASE GO AWAY, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING EVERYONE WHO KNOWS YOU.
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Hey RICHARD CABEZA aka Hoosier, Raw is frustrated, and I do not agree with everything he says, but go blow yourself if you think you can tell another dedicated fan who's family has given blood and sweat, not just a few bucks to the program to get lost! That is totally classless!!!
You think your donations give you ownership of this board? Piss off!!!
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| Mc Bulldog (2/8/2010)
Drakey, what do you think?
I think you should go out on a limb and express an opinion. Hoosier makes the same mistake you often do however by adding a political comment to the end of his rant, which in effect alienates 50% of the population.
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| Drakey (2/8/2010)
[quote]Mc Bulldog (2/8/2010)
Drakey, what do you think?
I think you should go out on a limb and express an opinion. Hoosier makes the same mistake you often do however by adding a political comment to the end of his rant, which in effect alienates 50% of the population.[/quote]
yeah, I think its strange that Hoosier feels to need to personally attack people are here so vehemently. Certainly, Raw's posts are somewhat annoying, but he's a fan and he's welcome to post here. |
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[quote]Mc Bulldog (2/8/2010)
Drakey, what do you think?
I think you should go out on a limb and express an opinion. Hoosier makes the same mistake you often do however by adding a political comment to the end of his rant, which in effect alienates 50% of the population.[/quote]
With all due respect Drakey, it's not 50% anymore.
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Hey RICHARD CABEZA aka Hoosier, Raw is frustrated, and I do not agree with everything he says, but go blow yourself if you think you can tell another dedicated fan who's family has given blood and sweat, not just a few bucks to the program to get lost! That is totally classless!!! [/quote]
Thanks BigBull but I can hold my own this board. Hoosierbulldog has a right to his opinions. What I express is my
opinion and what I see. BHO is not my bent for the record. I do critique the skipper on this board while most average
fans concentrate on the players and hype. I do point to areas that can be tracked and documented. 40 minutes of playing time and a possible 26 timeouts, free throw stoppage, tv timeouts, etc. should be enough for 18 -22 year old
men to catch their wind....unless they are "out of shape" or have some health problem.
Your BOARD? First, figure out whether you're a HoosierLover or a Bulldog.......
Contrary to some poster's belief....the embarrassment is losing games you should win and not knowing "WHY"
True...it can't always be the player's fault and it can't always be the coach's fault. Schools don't let the players
go when the program is UNSUCCESSFUL. The "youth thing" has been debunked...remember the 5 in a row.
The "Friendly Fire" thing has not been debunked......
The sun comes up in my world every day ; )
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[quote]rawdawg (2/7/2010)
Players put the ball in the hole. The guys in the ties put them in position to be successful to the best of their abilities. For two years I have watched, like many of you, and without biting my tongue, have pointed at the guys in the ties as being the major problem we have at this time. We have already proven that we
can win with the players we have now...... the youth "LIE" is over.... we have beaten TOP MVC Teams...
What I call "Friendly Fire" ( unwarranted and unnecessary substitutions), struck last night early and often.
Our two star general rolled the first grenade into the tent about the 2-3 minute mark and it continued as it
had in the previous 14 unsuccessful campaigns.
How can you say that Rawdawg? It's documented !! Our runs vs. their runs.... Yes, we have corrected
and cleaned up some of our two star general's "Friendly Fire" and salvaged some victories.
Those of you that are Dawg Tired with the situation need only wait until next season....... I will assure you,
you don't know frustration and what Dawg Tired really is...... there want be enough BALLS to go around.
Hey, relax ....it's only a GAME...... forget that someone actually gets PAID to orchestrate this madness.
The sun will come out in the morning. GO DOGS......!![/quote]
Raw, Raw, Raw: You tell others they ought to be ashamed?
1. YOU ought to be ashamed. The sun doesn't come out in YOUR world.
2. I can't wait for you to graduate and go away.
3. You obviously would be a much better Division 1 basketball coach than "our two star general". Just ask you, right?
4. Armchair coaches with 20-20 make me sick, and I'm about to vomit.
5. Forget the dam...d substitution! Even children of blind parents can't play 40 minutes effectively. If we make 75% of our free throws as a team, and the front end of one and ones, we would have won several more games. No matter how bad you think the coaching is.
6. Sadly, I would guess that you might be happy with failure. Certainly you will be next year. Well, next year stay off our board.
We are here for the ride. All is not perfect, never has been, never will be, but you are so hypocritical that you would fit well in Obama's Cabinet.
(Now THAT is a personal attack!)
PLEASE GO AWAY, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING EVERYONE WHO KNOWS YOU.
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HTF did I get into this pissin match? Dawg_tired is what I was with Kurt Kanaskie. You want frustration! Phelps has already nearly won more games than Kanaskie. I'll give you frustration. I have been a vocal critic of Phelps when I thought he deserved it. What's more I've done it and signed my real name. However, when I don't think he deserved it I gave him props. I don't think he deserves being criticized for the last couple of games. Players have to make the plays.
Hoosier dog put down the crack pipe...your venom is unbecoming and for a "johnny come lately" to this board to refer to it as "our" board is an overstep. You don't own the program and you don't own the board. If you can't state your opinion on basketball and not personally attack people you should STFU until you sober up.
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[quote]My biggest problem with Raw is that when we lose it's Phelps fault and when we win it's brilliance by the players in spite of Phelps still trying to sabotage us. If we changed MP's name to Keno Davis, would he still be so critical?
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OK....problem with Raw? For clarity and the record, I did not like Dr. Tom's "forty minutes of HELL" either but
he had some rhyme and reason to his system (madness, "Friendly Fire"). My first year, Dr. Tom had a better team
17-15 (athletically) than did Keno (28-5) but I thought he (Tom) under utilized "key people" at times because of his system...(.i.e) AC and KK in particular....(yes, I know KK was recovering from injuries). Keno tweaked the system and the results were what you saw 07-08. (Chemistry, flow, less substitutions, starters playing 30+ mins per game, and stretching the floor with the threat of the DEEP three ( JY, KK, JB, BC). MP2, unlike Dr. Tom and Keno, in my
personal opinion, has no rhyme or reason to his system (madness...."Friendly Fire").
In addition, Dr. Tom and Keno knew how to mix it up as skippers. Presses, man to man D' for more than 5 minutes,
How to get players to box out and board, and to believe in themselves. They were laid back and self confident
and gave the guys the sense of "You can accomplish anything you set your mind to".. You do take on the
personality of your leader....
I post to inspire to a greater level..... and to help shake a "LOSING ATTITUDE"...
For the record: Providence thought Keno did enough with his "substitution patterns" to pay him seven figures.
Remember, he didn't have the talent MP2 has right now.......
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BTW: That last post was excellent McBull. What I would describe as a classic.
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| Thanks Drakey .... I got your back.
I'm not sure it's batch'n as much as differences in philosophies of what roles coaches and players have in the outcome of the game of basketball. I personally think they are correct in their assessments and if they vote for me ... why ... I'll make all their dreams come true.
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Thanks Drakey .... I got your back.
I'm not sure it's batch'n as much as differences in philosophies of what roles coaches and players have in the outcome of the game of basketball. I personally think they are correct in their assessments and if they vote for me ... why ... I'll make all their dreams come true.[/quote]
McB
l think you hit it right on. That's what make the board interesting is everyones difference of philosophy and how it affects the outcome of the games. Drakey is right also. l think the last month has been great. Noone likes to lose, but even in the losses l see more postive.
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[quote]rawdawg (2/7/2010)
Players put the ball in the hole. The guys in the ties put them in position to be successful to the best of their abilities. For two years I have watched, like many of you, and without biting my tongue, have pointed at the guys in the ties as being the major problem we have at this time. We have already proven that we
can win with the players we have now...... the youth "LIE" is over.... we have beaten TOP MVC Teams...
What I call "Friendly Fire" ( unwarranted and unnecessary substitutions), struck last night early and often.
Our two star general rolled the first grenade into the tent about the 2-3 minute mark and it continued as it
had in the previous 14 unsuccessful campaigns.
How can you say that Rawdawg? It's documented !! Our runs vs. their runs.... Yes, we have corrected
and cleaned up some of our two star general's "Friendly Fire" and salvaged some victories.
Those of you that are Dawg Tired with the situation need only wait until next season....... I will assure you,
you don't know frustration and what Dawg Tired really is...... there want be enough BALLS to go around.
Hey, relax ....it's only a GAME...... forget that someone actually gets PAID to orchestrate this madness.
The sun will come out in the morning. GO DOGS......!![/quote]
Raw, Raw, Raw: You tell others they ought to be ashamed?
1. YOU ought to be ashamed. The sun doesn't come out in YOUR world.
2. I can't wait for you to graduate and go away.
3. You obviously would be a much better Division 1 basketball coach than "our two star general". Just ask you, right?
4. Armchair coaches with 20-20 make me sick, and I'm about to vomit.
5. Forget the dam...d substitution! Even children of blind parents can't play 40 minutes effectively. If we make 75% of our free throws as a team, and the front end of one and ones, we would have won several more games. No matter how bad you think the coaching is.
6. Sadly, I would guess that you might be happy with failure. Certainly you will be next year. Well, next year stay off our board.
We are here for the ride. All is not perfect, never has been, never will be, but you are so hypocritical that you would fit well in Obama's Cabinet.
(Now THAT is a personal attack!)
PLEASE GO AWAY, YOU ARE EMBARRASSING EVERYONE WHO KNOWS YOU.
[/quote] I don't like the personal attacks or the unwanted political commentary from HoosierBulldog, neither of which belongs on a sports message board. However, Rawdog, I really don't understand your continued criticism of Coach Phelps, and all this talk of "friendly fire". Coach has done a great job since early January of bringing along a young team, in my opinion and that of many others on this board. Don't take this as a personal attack, but is there a personal agenda here that I'm not aware of? And this talk of not enough balls to go around next year. JY and AT have together taken 414 shots this year, over 30% of the team's total. So what does not enough balls to go around next year supposed to mean? again, is there something here that the rest of us don't understand? |
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| [quote]rawdawg (2/8/2010)
BRFDawg
...but I thought he (Tom) under utilized "key people" at times because of his system...(.i.e) AC and KK in particular....(yes, I know KK was recovering from injuries).
In addition, Dr. Tom and Keno knew how to mix it up as skippers. Presses, man to man D' for more than 5 minutes,
How to get players to box out and board, and to believe in themselves.
They were laid back and self confident
and gave the guys the sense of "You can accomplish anything you set your mind to".. You do take on the
personality of your leader....
For the record: Providence thought Keno did enough with his "substitution patterns" to pay him seven figures.
Remember, he didn't have the talent MP2 has right now.......
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I disagree with a lot of what you spew Raw, you bark just as loud if not more than the veterans around here while you try to defend yourself against constant naysayers. Just a couple things you highlighted:
"Dr. Tom under-utilizing players" -- Might as well give credit where credit is due. It was Dr. Tom who set JY to focus on scoring from the 2 instead of playing the point. That move alone allowed him to "utilize" Al Stewart, Ajay Calvin, and Klayton Korver in space to give us a chance against the more physical SIU's and Creighton's at the time. With a more athletic team on the court, he could properly execute his different presses. And look where we ended up discovering our MVP Adam Emmenecker. If JY was our Point Guard, would he really be a contributor for us?
"Dr. Tom and Keno knew how to mix it up." -- This is one thing that I agree with you completely on. I strongly feel that part of the second half collapses we had last year and at the start of this year was stemming from teams getting comfortable facing the matchup zone and pulling off runs in the second half once they figured it out. What we've seen in the presses this year is discouraging in that it happens very rarely, and it's used to slow the game down instead of raising the tempo to force bad decisions which lead to turnovers. If we could throw something else to keep an offense on their heels adjusting to the different defensive pressure, I think we'd have a slightly better record because of it. The offensive droughts are still an issue though.
"They were laid back" -- Laid back in what aspect? Their demeanor on the court during games? Straight from Josh Young's mouth he has said that Coach Phelps runs a much more laid back practice/environment compared to what the Davis' did. Keno would run the players ragged installing wrinkles in defensive sets during practice. Phelps may be more fiery in the box on gameday, but have you seen the Valley refs? It would take a saint not to get worked up over the bodies of work the MVC refs display.
"Remember he didn't have the talent MP2 has right now" -- He didn't, that's true. But you're also comparing a veteran-laden team that had bonded over 4 years and knew how to play to each other's strengths with a highly touted freshman class with only a couple senior leaders. Yes our roster is physically talented, but this is their first run through the MVC gauntlet. We don't have rare stars like Derrick Rose who took the NCAA's by storm with the physical and mental tools of a veteran on our team. Once this young team has developed the mental toughness for Division I basketball, they'll really be able to show what they've got. That comes more from experience more than coaching.
ENOUGH ABOUT THE PAST THOUGH...the UNI Panthers come to town on Wednesday and we need the house a rockin! While I don't know you guys personally, I hope you're all as loud at the games as your are in person! 
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So what does not enough balls to go around next year supposed to mean? again, is there something here that the rest of us don't understand?
No, you (or your word :"Rest of Us" ) understand it but maybe not see it. "Not having enough balls to go around" could mean many things but what I am referring to the notion that two years of the "Top Recruiting MVC Classes" will produce great expectation by those being recruited. No doubt the freshmen this year think O' first and D' secondly.
This is reflected in our MVC Defensive stats.... Yes, with the exception of SVD's block shots, there's not much D' from
the other pups.....
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If they win the Valley and go deep into the NCAA's. There's enough balls to go around. Who needs more than two anyway?
One ball for offense. Two for Defense.
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