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| | I got back too late from the Iowa game to get to the game. Any word from the Knapp? |
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| | l am watching on the net no frickin voice however. Young guys are learning so far. JY hasn't shot much. We full court press after a made basket. Rebounding isn't very good yet. l don't know the new guys well enough yet to say who is who. Stanley didn't get in till 3 minutes left in the half. We have lots of subbing l assume he is trying to find combinations. |
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| Bulldogs shot the ball reasonably well. Rebounding horrible.....outrebounded by 15 by a D-2 team with no player taller than 6-7. Way too many turnovers. Rotation based on tonight would be Van Deest, Templeton, Simons, Young and Wedel as starters with Wiseler, Hawley, Smith & Uhlenhopp as the primary guys off the bench. Eaddy didn't play much, Jones barely played at all, and Stanley played very poorly for the 10 or so minutes he was in the game.
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| Was at the game and I don't want to go in depth on what I took away from the game because it's an exhibition game and honestly there's not too much that you can judge based on the situation.
I was very impressed by Ben Simons. Has a good shot, hit a three and was active on the blocks and even though he's a freshman, he did not look lost.
I was also very impressed by Ryan Wedel. Great shooter, explosive first step that gets him past defenders.
The press will be very exciting this year. It was not the 3-2 three-quarter press BS that Phelps tried to use to slow the pace of the game last year. 1-2-1-1 and 2-1-2 presses were quick to trap players and wreak havoc. Wedel and Josh Young got some quick looks out of this. 
The freshman (and whole team for that matter) will be a force as soon as they adjust to the college game and gel together against worthy opponents.
(Un)Fortunately, Craig Stanley will be riding the bench all year as Wedel and Wiseler ran the point and kept the offense moving. Stanley's a great guy, but he was just making too many mistakes, against a horrible opponent. Adam Templeton can still hit any shot he takes within the half court line...until the game actually starts. Still hustling as hard as ever though.
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1 - Ryan Wedel
2 - Josh Young
3 - Ben Simons
4- Adam Templeton
5 - Seth VanDeest
Oops, went in way to deep there. Sooo excited for the season!
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| Outrebounded by 15 by a not very strong or athletic Upper Iowa team. I'm afraid D1 teams are going to get as many shots as they need to score on every posession.
Wedel and Van Deest looked pretty good. Simons looked good but had very few touches. Stanley is apparently the third string point guard. Young looked OK. Templeton disappeared. Offense was stagnant. Interior defense was very suspect. Phelps substituted every 30 seconds. Subbed 3 players two minutes into the game. Van Deest came in one time and went out 30 seconds later. There was no continuity because the lineup changed constantly.
The Bulldogs tried to press, but it was not a very good press. I truly don't see how this team is going to outrebound anybody.
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| Box score.....link
DU was 10-20 from 3-pt range....very good.
Outrebounded 36-21......very bad.
Stanley 5 turnovers in 6 minutes.....ouch
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| I thought the press worked pretty well. They forced alot of turnovers
The two freshman that had the worse game was smith and reece. Both of them had a hard time getting the ball and I bet Reece was one of the more nervous guys on the court. There were a ton of Urbandale folks there. He just wasn't his usual self that game.
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| I'm still not sold on Wedel as the point. Team seemed to work a lot better when either FW or CS (who is not completely healthy yet, per coach on the after-game show) ran the point. Also, Wedel seemed to be more relaxed and shot better when he wasn't handling the ball as much.
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| I definatley prefer Wedel over the rest although Frank has a little AE in him IMO.
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| Drake wins 74-58.
It was an exhibition win. It wasn't close, but it wasn't easy either. Some things looked okay, some things looked bad, and some things I hope I never see again. The subbing was bizarre and too frequent, so hopefully the bench shortens up and the lineups stay more static once the season starts.
Rebounding is probably the big concern after this game. -15 in rebounding to a bad D2 team is a bad sign. Upper Iowa had more offensive rebounds (16) than Drake had defensive rebounds (15).
Free throw shooting (16-25, 64%) is another area of concern. Lots of guys missed free throws, including some guys who should be decent free throw shooters. Hopefully that's more first game rust than a sign of things to come.
The offense opened slow again. I think it took Drake over 2 minutes to score their first points, and about 8 minutes to break 4 points. Drake shot over 50% for the game, so things got on track eventually.
Drake brought out a press, and it worked to the tune of 31 turnovers. It didn't look that effective in person, though, and I'm guessing D1 teams will break it easily if it doesn't improve.
Drake had 16 turnovers, but that number should improve once the bench shortens.
The crowd was okay tonight for an exhibition, but the students deserve credit for coming out. The student section was about 3/4 full, and that's with no band to help fill it out.
Young was smooth as silk. He quietly scored 18 points on just 9 shots. He was the only Bulldog who had much success driving to the basket. He looks healthy, and could average 20 points a game this year (especially if Drake doesn't develop more scoring options).
Wedel had 11 points, most of it in a quick burst. He didn't look to shoot most of the time, but I think that was just a limitation of the exhibition. He looked okay running the offense, and only had 1 turnover. He tried to push the tempo at times, but didn't do much to attack the basket on a fast break.
VanDeest was probably the most impressive freshman. He was very active, showed some nice moves in the post, and hit a 15+ foot shot for Drake's first points. On the down side, he only had 1 rebound and picked up 4 fouls in only 16 minutes. It's nice that he can score, but Drake needs him to rebound and stay out of foul trouble.
Simons was Drake's leading rebounder with 5 (though he also played the most minutes), and also picked up 3 steals. On offense he looked the best when the offense created a 3-point shot for him.
Templeton had a well-rounded game (except for 3-point shooting). He had 4 steals, 4 rebounds, and was the only Bulldog who had success from the free throw line.
Wiseler looked better than I expected. He wasn't flashy, he just took care of the ball and didn't make mistakes (except for maybe a poor shot in traffic). He showed a little shooting touch by hitting a 3 when they left him open.
Hawley played a well-rounded game, like a more athletic version of Templeton. I think he gave out the chest bumps during the starting lineups.
Uhlenhopp was the backup center, and had a hard time getting involved in the game. He only had 1 rebound in 16 minutes, and that also needs to improve.
Eaddy was the third-string center, and played 8 minutes. He a little undersized in the middle, but he should be strong enough to handle it while creating offensive matchup problems on the perimeter.
Smith didn't get very involved in his 14 minutes of playing time, but I liked what I saw. He reminds me of Leonard Houston, a guard with size and athleticism. He can develop into a very effective wing.
Stanley was the third-string point, and played awful. He had almost as many turnovers (5) as minutes (6). His injury must have seriously slowed his offseason progress.
Parker, Jones, and Whitaker entered the game in the final minutes. None of them look like they'll play much, if at all this year. Duff was the only player on the roster who didn't play, and I'm guessing he'll redshirt this year.
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| The Fat Tire was very good. Rebounding bad. Stanley, Jones...hellooooo? Coach...your shooters could use more shots....Hellooooo? McBullshat's elbow hurts from excessive use of the right hand....if you don't understand your father never bought playboy.
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| Keita44 (11/7/2009)
I'm still not sold on Wedel as the point. Team seemed to work a lot better when either FW or CS (who is not completely healthy yet, per coach on the after-game show) ran the point. Also, Wedel seemed to be more relaxed and shot better when he wasn't handling the ball as much.
The problem with that is you want Young and Wedel on the floor as much as possible, so if you add Wiseler at the point that's a very small lineup from 1-3. As Gordon will tell you, Wedel isn't a 3.
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| Looks like Drake's biggest strength this year will be guard play...
Biggest weakness is rebounding.
Wiseler looks like he can become a great facilitator for this team, but it's hard not to play Wedel. Ryan showed a lot of leadership when he started the only big run of the game with a couple threes and layups.
SVD looks like he will be able to score in The Valley right away. Hopefully he can rebound and his fouling doesn't become the norm.
This team has a long way to go, but they have lots of potential.
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| | i actually thought smith looked pretty good, he played solid defense and he was always getting the ball into the post when they had position. that might not seem like a big deal but those guys need to get the ball on the block when the got position, not only does it reward them but it also opens up cuts and kick outs for easy threes. also i agree frank played very well, doesnt force it and shot decent. im guessing big sean jones wont see the court until his senior night, someone exlplain to me how a 6' guard drives in and shots right over him?? |
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| Keita44 (11/7/2009)
I'm still not sold on Wedel as the point. Team seemed to work a lot better when either FW or CS (who is not completely healthy yet, per coach on the after-game show) ran the point. Also, Wedel seemed to be more relaxed and shot better when he wasn't handling the ball as much.
I don't know if you were watching the same game I was. FW looked ok, a little tepid at times but he can drive and has a decent shot, found a few open guys. RW found open players, hustled on every play, is a solid passer, and one hell of a shot. RW and JY on the court at the same time is one hell of an outside threat and both can Drive the ball and play D. CS was invisible except when he was ignoring the open man and making the same mistakes he did last year. He missed a wide open SVD going down the court and instead held the ball and ended up turning it over. RW is the clear leader at the point. Saw good things from Smith as well he could be a hell of a Valley guard in the future.
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I'm still not sold on Wedel as the point. Team seemed to work a lot better when either FW or CS (who is not completely healthy yet, per coach on the after-game show) ran the point. Also, Wedel seemed to be more relaxed and shot better when he wasn't handling the ball as much.I don't know if you were watching the same game I was. FW looked ok, a little tepid at times but he can drive and has a decent shot, found a few open guys. RW found open players, hustled on every play, is a solid passer, and one hell of a shot. RW and JY on the court at the same time is one hell of an outside threat and both can Drive the ball and play D. CS was invisible except when he was ignoring the open man and making the same mistakes he did last year. He missed a wide open SVD going down the court and instead held the ball and ended up turning it over. RW is the clear leader at the point.
Agree 100% with everything you said. My biggest gripe with Stanley as a point guard last year was that I didn't think he saw the floor well. Unfortunately, that was the situation again yesterday. In addition to missing open teammates, he turned it over constantly. Five turnovers in 6 minutes is terrible against any competition, and inexplicable against a bad D-2 team. I hope it was a one game fluke, otherwise CS will have trouble seeing the court at all.
Keita......do you really think the team "worked a lot better" when CS was in the game yesterday than with Wedel? As Big Bull said, I don't think you were watching the same game.
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| I'm not sure we can take a whole lot from that game. That #45 for Peacocks is hellva gamer. Actually, Upper Iowa was much better than I anticipated ... and taller too. Hats off to the Peacocks. I think that was a really good game for Drake and served it's purpose as an exh. game to the max.
Craig Stanley is a great basketball player and I believe he just showed some frustration with his situation last night. Seemed he had something he wanted to prove and didn't perform the way he or anyone had wished. He needs to settle down and get his game hat on. This team is going to need him as the season progresses because in my opinion Weisler is going to struggle when the men get up against bigger, faster, and more talented guards. Did Stanley have a bit of an attitude last night? ... not sure, but at times he looked as if he was almost insubordinate. We need him gel and be a team player ... it is going to be important real soon.
If the guys aren't going to be rebound effectively we are S.O.L. this year. I know that Upper Iowa played like they were in the national championship game and Drake played like they were in an exh. game but OMG???????, okay?.... the rebounding was horrible to say the least. This entire team better man up in the rebounding category.
There were 3-4 glimpses that showed how special this team can really be. Those glimpses need to be the norm and not the exception.
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| Re: Smith. Based on what I saw in the summer league, I think he could have taken it to the rim at will last night. He was obviously not supposed to, and was playing in a position where he was never involved in the offense. I really hope he is willing to start from scratch, find somebody who can teach him how to shoot, an become an outside threat. If he does he could be extemely good. If he does not, he'll be mediocre.
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| I was at the game as well. Liked what I saw in Wedel, JY, and Frank. Craig was out of control and really looked to be pressing. As a senior, he may be seeing the writing on the wall with regards to playing time.
SVD had good moments and I like his footwork in the post. Hawley had flashes as well. He is a real athlete. Ben needs more touches.
Like coach said in the DM Register, rebounding is a grave concern. We also gave up too many easy looks at the basket.
All that said, there is a lot of talent on the team and a lot of freshmen playing. If they can toughen up inside it will be fun to watch them develop as the year progresses.
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