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RE: Iowa State

urbyballinjt — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:13:04 GMT

RE: Iowa State

dufan1345 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:56:43 GMT

Big stat from the game... NINE assists. Only nine assists with 70 points means poor ball movement. This in addition to rebounding will surely be a focus in practice leading up to Friday. It will be interesting to see how the road trip goes. Some teams are better road teams than at home. This could be the cause with this club.

RE: Iowa State

Drakey — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:49:32 GMT

[quote]dn411 (11/18/2009)

I'm a hawk when I'm not a Bulldog. I know that's not going to gain me points in this crowd. I'm only a hawk by default because my boyfriend is.

Baller - Yes, it's a message board but you probably have a full keyboard in front of you when posting. Thus, I feel you should strive at all times to achieve proper spelling and grammar. But, that's just the journalist in me. We were taught to write properly even in emails and texts. Nothing personal, it just pains me by nature.

p.s. you can also ride the DART buses with your ID. If you dare....[/quote]

I attended Iowa, iowa State and Drake. Iowa is definitely my #2 school in the state.

RE: Iowa State

dn411 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:43:14 GMT

RE: Iowa State

BRFDawg — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:02:50 GMT

Gordon Gottschalk (11/18/2009)

[quote]BRFDawg (11/18/2009)

[quote]DUBulldog (11/18/2009)

[quote]Drakey (11/18/2009)

Actually, if you are in the bottom half of your high School class you need a 20 on your ACT to get into ISU. If you are in the top half of your class there is no such requirement. I think you can have a 12 if you are in the top half of your class in Bedford. that doesn't mean there aren't some geniuses at ISU.

I don't know much about ISU's requirements, other than they admitted both of my kids. I know that some publics such as U of Illinois are extremely competitive from an admissions standpoint.....unless you're related to a Chicago politico. [/quote]

Similar stories at Minnesota and Wisconsin. They only take the best and brightest, unless you come from money or are a minority. That's not to say that the minorities who get in aren't smart as well, but if you have a hispanic kid that was a 3.4 and comes from a family with no college graduates versus a white kid who has a 3.6 and a family of college graduates, they probably take the hispanic kid. If you've got nothing improving your case, you better be top 10% of your class with a good ACT/SAT score or it just isn't happening for you.[/quote]

I am absolutely stunned by these posts and shocked to hear that this could happen. At USC only the best and brightest get in and it is all merit based.[/quote]

Colin Cowherd is that you? I didn't know you would post at a lowly Missouri Valley message board.

RE: Iowa State

Gordon Gottschalk — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:59:34 GMT

BRFDawg (11/18/2009)

[quote]DUBulldog (11/18/2009)

[quote]Drakey (11/18/2009)

I don't know much about ISU's requirements, other than they admitted both of my kids. I know that some publics such as U of Illinois are extremely competitive from an admissions standpoint.....unless you're related to a Chicago politico. [/quote]
Similar stories at Minnesota and Wisconsin. They only take the best and brightest, unless you come from money or are a minority. That's not to say that the minorities who get in aren't smart as well, but if you have a hispanic kid that was a 3.4 and comes from a family with no college graduates versus a white kid who has a 3.6 and a family of college graduates, they probably take the hispanic kid. If you've got nothing improving your case, you better be top 10% of your class with a good ACT/SAT score or it just isn't happening for you.[/quote]

I am absolutely stunned by these posts and shocked to hear that this could happen. At USC only the best and brightest get in and it is all merit based.

RE: Iowa State

DrakeLawCyclone — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:43:44 GMT

baller7103 (11/18/2009)

Seriously its a message board. Its like sending a text. Who the hell cares about grammar. I do go to drake by the way Its so awesome that we get into the games free! I love it

With the GD tuition prices at this place, we better get into the game free...

And yes, most Cyclone fans cheer for Drake the rest of the year. Looking forward to the UNI game, as my gf is a UNI alum and ex Panther athlete. I'll be wearing Blue that day

RE: Iowa State

baller7103 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:10:06 GMT

Seriously its a message board. Its like sending a text. Who the hell cares about grammar. I do go to drake by the way Its so awesome that we get into the games free! I love it

RE: Iowa State

DUBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:08:22 GMT

DUlawdog (11/18/2009)

[quote]While we talk about the youth of the players and the talent of the players, I just think that we need to see more leadership coming from Phelps during the games.

I don't think coaching had anything to do with the outcome of this game. Drake was simply outmatched physically, and ISU was red-hot from 3-pt range. The only way Drake can hang with them is if Drake is hitting outside shots and ISU is not. That would allow Drake to pack in the defense around Brackens.

I only wish that Coach Phelps would be a little more animated on the bench, but that's just not his style. I think the crowd could play off of that a little bit. I also wish he'd work the officials a little more, but again, that's apparently not his style. That might also help get the crowd riled up a little bit at certain points in the game.

Players feed off of the energy of the crowd, but to some extent, the crowd also feeds off the energy of the players and coaches.

Not saying he should be a stark, raving lunatic on the bench like Dick Fick (a few of you might remember him), but I'd like to see a little more emotion out there.

RE: Iowa State

DUlawdog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:00:18 GMT

[quote]BulldogJT (11/18/2009)

[quote]DUlawdog (11/18/2009)

All good thoughts (except Baller, who I dislike intensely)
For those that weren't too concerned about coaching - were you actually at the game? Granted, the second half was loads better. But wow, what a bad gameplan going into the game. We complain about rebounding, but you can tell the kids are trained to start running back down the court as soon as a shot goes up.

Look, I'm not much of a coach hater (just look at last year when I was the only one defending him), but Coach P needs to step up his game - fast.
[/quote]
i actually disagree with this, i really liked his game plan, dont let brackins beat you, double down on him to force him to get rid of the ball. also by playing at a fast tempo it got us some open looks and got them going fast which also limits brackins touches on the block. as far as crashing the boards i like it just not against iowa state, they had a huge height and speed advantage so by crashing it wasnt going to get us that many more boards but it would for sure create some 3 on 3 or 2 on 1 coming back at us which would not be good.[/quote]

Fair enough. But I think its also easy to cop out and say, "oh, we're young, so...". The fact remains that young and talented doesn't have to equal disorganized and unplanned. I think the defensive plan was decent, I agree, but there didn't seem to be a plan on offense.

While we talk about the youth of the players and the talent of the players, I just think that we need to see more leadership coming from Phelps during the games to better utilize this talent.

I think most of us can recognize a well-coached team. Drake is not a well-coached team. No way. However, I think Phelps has it in him to be better and I just would like to see that. BDJT - you really think Drake looked like a well-coached team? I'm just trying to bash Phelps, I just have higher expectations for him than what he's shown thus far.

The talent is there, the will to win is there, hopefully the youth will become better channeled into discipline. I confident it will - but I'm not going to give Phelps a free pass just because he's dealing with 18 yr olds.

RE: Iowa State

BRFDawg — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:56:18 GMT

DUBulldog (11/18/2009)

[quote]Drakey (11/18/2009)

I don't know much about ISU's requirements, other than they admitted both of my kids. I know that some publics such as U of Illinois are extremely competitive from an admissions standpoint.....unless you're related to a Chicago politico. [/quote]
Similar stories at Minnesota and Wisconsin. They only take the best and brightest, unless you come from money or are a minority. That's not to say that the minorities who get in aren't smart as well, but if you have a hispanic kid that was a 3.4 and comes from a family with no college graduates versus a white kid who has a 3.6 and a family of college graduates, they probably take the hispanic kid. If you've got nothing improving your case, you better be top 10% of your class with a good ACT/SAT score or it just isn't happening for you.

RE: Iowa State

Gordon Gottschalk — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:53:34 GMT

Mc Bulldog (11/18/2009)

I certainly have nothing against Iowa State or Iowa. I pull for those teams to win when they don't play Drake or hurt the Dogs in anyway ie rpi etc. I'm pretty sure the majority of ISU & UI fans feel the same about Drake. I hope the Cyclones kick arsch this year.

Completely agree McB (that is McBulldog to you Dawg Tired). In fact I missed the IUPUI game becasue I was at the ISU football game. However, I do get a kick out of listening to and tweaking Hawkeye Jihad fans wine about losses, coaches, etc. and I have no patience at all with those few ISU fans who copy the Hawk attitude.

RE: Iowa State

Mc Bulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:33:48 GMT

RE: Iowa State

Gordon Gottschalk — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:32:19 GMT

[quote]SoCalBulldog (11/18/2009)

CONCERNS

I am worried that all of us, myself included, keep thinking "I can't wait 'till next year..." and I hope the players and coach don't have the same mentality. I am worried that our rebounding sucks so much. I am worried that we will have a hard time picking up more than 5 wins in the Valley.
[/quote]

SoCal, I don't think you need to worry about anyone on the team or staff thinking wait until next year. No way they want to let down JY and AT. From what I can tell on this board, Drakey seems to be the only with that attitude.

Everyone is worried about the boards. Coach P talks about it every chance he gets.

This team today would not win 5 in the Valley, but that doesn't start until January. I think the team will look very different then.

These are good hardworking kids with plenty of talent. I believe they will get it as the season goes on.

RE: Iowa State

DUBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:15:04 GMT

Drakey (11/18/2009)

RE: Iowa State

Drakey — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:05:33 GMT

RE: Iowa State

dn411 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:44:52 GMT

DUBulldog (11/18/2009)

dn411 (11/18/2009)

DrakeLawCyclone)

Drakey (11/18/2009)

[quote]Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

I think you are overestimating the academics at Iowa State.

Yeah, they only invented the computer. Watch a bunch of morons.

Everyone gets into public school.

Not true at all. And, contrary to some people's opinions, you can get a great education at public universities. My parents, brother, sisters and kids have all been educated at public universities. A lot of the best universities in the country are public.[/quote]

Come on! I'm trying to win this thing with a petty argument meow.

Yes, SOME people can get a good education at a public university.

The ladies in front of me were on the blunt end of that stick.

RE: Iowa State

DUBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:40:16 GMT

dn411 (11/18/2009)

DrakeLawCyclone)

Drakey (11/18/2009)

Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

I think you are overestimating the academics at Iowa State.

Yeah, they only invented the computer. Watch a bunch of morons.

Everyone gets into public school.

RE: Iowa State

dn411 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:35:52 GMT

DrakeLawCyclone (11/18/2009)

[quote]Drakey (11/18/2009)

[quote]Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

I think you are overestimating the academics at Iowa State.[/quote]

Yeah, they only invented the computer. Watch a bunch of morons.[/quote]

Everyone gets into public school.

RE: Iowa State

Dawg_tired — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:14:25 GMT

I understand that we're young and it's early, but I'd like to see something that might give us some confidence in the coaching. I don't think in all the years I've been watching college basketball, I've seen a more wussified defense. I would not have a problem with Van Deest fouling out against Brackins. Brackins will beat him 10 out of ten times. I do have a problem that VanDeest was less than a fly on Brackins shoulder.

RE: Iowa State

SoCalBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:08:44 GMT

I really enjoyed watching the game on the internet last night. Coach's substitutions did look wierd, but for some reason I felt that, unlike last year, he was trying different combinations to see who could do what. I'll give him that. He appears to have grown as a game coach -- fewer of the beginner mistakes from last year i.e. idiotic time outs. Although he is not perfect, he seems to be better in-touch with this team than he was with last year's.

CONCERNS
I am worried that all of us, myself included, keep thinking "I can't wait 'till next year..." and I hope the players and coach don't have the same mentality. I am worried that our rebounding sucks so much. I am worried that we will have a hard time picking up more than 5 wins in the Valley.

OTHER THOUGHTS
* ISU is a good, not great team, and we never had a chance. That bothers me.
* This was the first game I watched this season, and it was the first game (in a very long time) that I watched us lose and I didn't feel bad or get depressed. Very Strange.
* We need to land a power player for the low post, and that's going to be hard when our end-of-season record this year will have very few "W's."

RE: Iowa State

DrakeLawCyclone — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:03:07 GMT

Drakey (11/18/2009)

[quote]Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

I think you are overestimating the academics at Iowa State.[/quote]

Yeah, they only invented the computer. Watch a bunch of morons.

RE: Iowa State

Drakey — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:48 GMT

I'm not sure how people can be complaining about the coaching at this point. Last year, the criticism was justified. We had a team with a significant amount of talent returning and Phelps chose to institute a system and coach in a manner that did not take advantage of the talent and skills of those players. That's over.

This year we have a team that is comprised of a bunch of Freshmen, a transfer, a good guard who is always injured, and a couple of role players. There is no reason to think this team will be particularly good. They have done some things that look good to me. I liked the defensive strategy at the beginning of the game. I like the limited traps and pressing. Phelps is trying to figure out what will work best with these guys. I don't think it is realistic to think he should have that figured out two games into the season.

If you saw the two teams on the floor last night it is not realistic to think Drake should have played even with ISU. I think if they played again in two months it would be closer. The bulldogs have some players, and they are missing some players. That will presumably be taken care of next year. Realistically we should be shooting at 2011-2012.

RE: Iowa State

Gordon Gottschalk — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:56:47 GMT

Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

I understand the concern and also Big Bull's earlier comment. I think there are a couple of things at work here:
1. Early in the season you need to give your veterans a chance to "lose" their playing time. Before Seth VD and Reece U start taking all the minutes I think it is fair to let Bill E have a chance to show whether he can be this year's Alex White.
2. Early on, coaches often like to reward good practices with playing time in games. We don't know who is shining in practice or who needs a kick in the rear, that might be reflected in playing time.
3. Even though we see substitutions affecting "momentum" and potentially the outcome of games, coaches may be trying to put players into certain situations to see how they handle it. It's November, not February.
4. Players who look like they are doing well from a fan perspective may be completely screwing up what the coach wants them to work on.

I don't think the "Keno tapes" are relevant to this team. We have newbie central, Keno had players who had been together for 4 years.

RE: Iowa State

BT — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:46:10 GMT

[quote]Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

The substitution pattern stinks especially for a young team. Wedel, Young and Templeton should be on the floor 35 minutes each. Simons 30. Vandeest 25. And down from there until they figure out how to find their arse with both hands. Subbing with no strategy is insane. No continuity, no learning, little improvement. Watch the Keno tapes coach. NCAA with seven players.

Also the team did better offensively when they didn't run the prevent offense.

Here's some things that might help. Take a look.

Defensive commandments

footwork

More later[/quote]

Hey Dawg you want to come out of retirement and do some coaching? l have watched this for 2 seasons now and it's the same old thing. RW gets hot the 2nd half so take him out. JY was in a groove the 1st half so take him out. l don't care if he has a hip pointer he started the game, so let's him play. 3 off boards all by the same guy AT. 2 guys guarding a wing what don't you guys understand about D you have to move your feet and want to get to your next rotation. Simons great off game now lets put some energy into playing some defense. Seth biggest guy on the team foul somebody at least let them know you are on the floor. Guards figure it out you have to play some D --- JY had 3 fouls cuz he was playing D. Sock had it right if we don't off rebound we are 1 and out. lt is a game of scoring which relates to both ends of the floor. lt's time for the high school harry's to figure out it's college ball not high school. And the 3 man weave out front with Simons and the 2 guards give me a break Simons can't handle the ball. Get 3 guards or someone who can handle it and get Simons low where he can reboung or pop out for his step away 3. Like Dawg said give the best the minutes so they can get in a flow. l felt sorry for BE he gets stuck and no guard comes to get the ball and has to burn a timeout and then gets his butt chewed. lt's time to play some college basketball boys. . We all talk about how good we will be in the future. Well lets not throw away a season for some valuable experience. These kids have the tools to play well this year. There l vented and feel better now.

RE: Iowa State

Drakey — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:44:25 GMT

Dawg_tired (11/18/2009)

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

I think you are overestimating the academics at Iowa State.

RE: Iowa State

Gordon Gottschalk — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:36:27 GMT

I don't see any reason to start bringing up "coaching" as a negative topic when there is still so much learning that needs to occur on both ends of the floor. I am looking at each game to see if there was improvement and I think the team looked better against ISU than when I last saw them. On defense they seemed more aware of their rotations and were quicker getting to their spots. On offense they recognized a need to develop a scoring threat in the paint and ball movement was decent. There is still a lot to work on, which is to be expected of a young team.

On defense I see the need for players to work on these things:

1. If you think you are working hard, you are not. You need to put in a sustained level of intensity and concentration that far exceeds the previous level you played.
2. It's not just about sliding your feet and staying with your man. You have to use your body to fight for and hold position on the floor. You have to use your forearms to impead the player's movement. This applies to off the ball defense as much or more than on the ball.
3. Contesting a shot is not simply raising your hands up. You need to extend your entire body into the player and contest the release point or interfere with the shooter's line of sight.
4. Off the ball defense is not simply about staying between your man and the basket and the ball in 1 or 2 pass away technique. It's also about recognizing the passing lanes and interfering with the direction of the ball.

You can find similar issues on offense:

1. You do not have the luxury of catching the ball and looking around to see if you are "open" before you shoot. You need to recognize that you have a moment of space to release a shot as the ball is coming to you, get your feet set to shoot and your hands in a position to release the ball in rhythm.
2. You need to protect your space to shoot especially in the paint. You have to keep the ball away from your opponent, extend your elbows and use your forearm to shield the ball. In the paint, you cannot simply turn to the basket and shoot with the ball in front of you.
3. Movement away from the ball is vital. Movement is not making a jab step fake one way, running four steps to a spot and returning to your old spot. You need to cut hard to the basket to create a threat and get your chest into the defender to force him back so that when you come back to the ball you have created space. You need to do this with your whole body and not your hands.
4. Passes must be directed to the spot where the player is going to end up, not where he is.

Last night I saw young players making all of these mistakes almost every time down the floor. I also players learn from these mistakes. There were plenting of examples that the staff will be able to review when they look at the game film.

From a win-loss standpoint, November could be a rough month, but it does not mean the team is not good, the players aren't learning or the coaching sacks. Unfortunately it means that with so many newbies on this team the only way they are going to really learn is by having the opponent do to them what they need to do back. I saw this start to work last night:
1. In the first half, Reece U got backed down under the basket to give up an easy 2. In the second half he stepped into the passing lane and deflected the ball creating a turnover. He also had a nice hard foul that prevented a lay up.
2. David S "stayed with his man" and sometimes trailed him all the way to the basket early on, but by the end of the game he was body-to-body with Colvin and using his forearm to slow the first step move.
3. The team got killed on the glass, but early in the 2nd half, Seth VD had a body on Hamilton, pinned him outside the baseline, grabbed the board and drew Hamilton's third foul.
4. Ben S figured out that "being open" can mean jumping over or running by your man who is guarding you as you feather a shot through the net. I think the second half was a major "Aha" moment for him on offense and I look forward to the day when he gets one on defense.
5. Aaron H had a couple of potential "Aha" moments on offense as well as he elevated over his man for clear looks at the basket. Unfortunately he had a tendency to drift at the height of his jump and flick the ball instead of squaring his shoulders and concentrating all the way through the follow-through of the shot. I have no doubt he will get it figured out.

Overall, I don't see a glass half full or half empty. I see a pitcher overflowing with water that is slowly being poured into the glass. I look forward to February when I anticipate the water in the glass will be near the rim.

RE: Iowa State

Dawg_tired — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:31:40 GMT

stance
defense

RE: Iowa State

Dawg_tired — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:26:08 GMT

Baller didn't go to ISU...DMACC maybe. With writing skills like his, he wouldn't have made it a semester at Iowa State.

RE: Iowa State

Big Dipper — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:21:30 GMT

Baller

Your comments are valuable but certainly difficult to read. How about pressing Spell Check and/or grabbing a dusty copy of Warriner's Grammar And Composition ?

GO BULLDOGS !!!

RE: Iowa State

4Bulldogs — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:17:20 GMT

The only logical thing about baller being here is to tr0ll...come on... ISU really isn't the next best thing since sliced bread, there are a lot of games left to be played.

RE: Iowa State

DUBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:13:23 GMT

baller7103 (11/18/2009)

Yeah you hate my oppinion Cause its logical. You would like to think theres a reason within are control that we lost that game. Answer no there wasn't. ISU would beat us 10 times out of 10 this year. There simply better.

It's not your opinions that people dislike. It's your pretending to be a Drake fan.

RE: Iowa State

baller7103 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:09:17 GMT

RE: Iowa State

sockpuppet — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:04:59 GMT

I'd love to hear Gordon's thoughts on this, but in my opinion, offensive rebounds = more points + less offensive opportunities for your opponent. And when your defense is as green as this one, you'd better do everything you can to limit your minutes on the wrong side of the court.

RE: Iowa State

Dawg_tired — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:01:59 GMT

RE: Iowa State

BulldogJT — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:44:39 GMT

[quote]DUlawdog (11/18/2009)

RE: Iowa State

DUlawdog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:27:04 GMT

RE: Iowa State

DUBulldog — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:59:20 GMT

baller7103 (11/18/2009)

We would have gotten torched if played man to man. ISU was taller, stonger and faster. ISU wasn't gonna lose this game so its pointless for people to complain about coaching. Theres nothing you can do when the other team is simply better. I was impressed how we played. I dont think we could have played much better. I think alot of people on here are still selling ISU short. There by far the best of the 4 this year. Well atleast I know we'll beat Iowa! wow are they awful

When you say "we", you're talking about ISU, right?

RE: Iowa State

baller7103 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:08:14 GMT

RE: Iowa State

dn411 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:38:34 GMT

Tonight I found myself saying in my head: "Can't we do man-to-man for just one night?"

At one point I drew a court on the board, drew a big X on the baseline and wrote "Guard here."