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RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

cgdcreek — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:41:14 GMT

Bottom line, I think, is that the "big" schools are real good at managing to the APR, or whatever, definition, and they have those "majors" that are pretty much meaningless. Check out Bradley's "Academic Exploration Program" some time, and check out how many of the men's basketball players have that as a "major".

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Grandpa — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:10:24 GMT

I am still curious as to why schools in our conference like Creighton and Badley (sic) would have so many sports commended in this NCAA rating as compared to Drake. Food for thought

Big Dipper

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Here's my guess. Just as teachers have had to learn to teach "test taking" for No Child Left Behind, coaches and counselors will have to learn to advise students to structure their classes to fit the APR. For example, a student-athlete must have completed a certain number of hours required for graduation in 4 years by the start of their 3rd year. My guess is that some schools have been better at fine tuning student-athlete class schedules to fit the APR scoring system. Again, this is only a guess. A discussion with SHC on the subject would be both interesting and enlightening.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Dipper — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:05:24 GMT

Big Bull
I am certainly no expert in transfer rates but it would seem that these rates could serve as a useful tool for critical analysis by both the Athletic Dept and University as a whole.In general terms it would be interesting to compare the transfer rates among scholarship sports -non-scholarship sports and the general university student.Certainly a high rate in any or all of these cohorts would be cause for concern as to why
There are obviously a myriad of reasons for why a student may choose to transfer - for a scholarship athlete it may be that the coach did a poor job of projecting the athlete's athletic or academic potential.The individual athlete may feel that the university is either academically too rigorous or maybe even unchallenging.The athlete can be unhappy with the athletic program for a variety of reasons but usually playing time.Both athletes and non athletes can be disappointed with the intellectual and cultural climates at the university. There are also family ,financial and geographic reasons that prompt student transfers.
I am still curious as to why schools in our conference like Creighton and Badley would have so many sports commended in this NCAA rating as compared to Drake. Food for thought
Big Dipper

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RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Bull — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:36:16 GMT

Iowa stat APR

Article in the register today, Iowa state Mens BB has low APR due to Morgan players leaving.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Bull — Tue, 06 May 2008 12:53:11 GMT

Great, this ones worse than the previous year.

Again I ask does anyone know if we had ineligible kids? The transfer part of their little equasion is a joke because (and I am assuming this so tell me if im off) It doesn't give Drake credit if a kid transfers and graduates or continues. Isn't that the whole point of the measure?

And what's going on with the Soccer teams?

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

DUBulldog — Tue, 06 May 2008 12:39:00 GMT

Here is the latest release from the NCAA regarding APR:

link

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Bull — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:22:33 GMT

What are "Academic Eligibility Standards?"

For the NCAA it means you can read CLIFFORD THE BIG RED DOG, and chew gum at the same time. Do that and stick around 4 years and you put your university at the top of the NCAA academic progress rankings.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Drakey — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:08:48 GMT

I'm sure there are others, but Worner and Armel immediately come to mind. There were also a couple walk-ons who have disappeared in the last couple years. I wouldn't be surprised if they transferred to a D3 school.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Bull — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:51:36 GMT

DIPPER, can you provide a link to the reports for the years you are citing? it would be nice to look at the data.

I know we were hurt in the 6 year report that is the companion to this one, but that was mainly a hangover from KK's academic disasters and a flaw in how they count jucs.

If we haven't had any inelligible players does that mean we are a poor academic instution because of transfers? seems like this should be two reports or 3, how about an eligibility grade, an overall GPA percentile, and a graduation rate that counts all those who recieve degrees, not just the 4-5-or 8 years students. If I remeber the Juco players didn't count in the grad rate reports.

Its good to know where we are at, but its better to understand what the stats really measure. The Ivy league proably didn't have a lot of transfer students while the BCS schools do have a lot of basketweaving, coaching, sports med, etc...

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Bull — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:37:46 GMT

I tried Googling the APR for Drake and started laughing when the post titled DRAKES DISMAL PERFORMANCE popped. kind of scary to think a potential recruit would do the same thing and find a post rather that the data.

Ok, so let me get this straight, the APR ads the number of academically elligible athletes with the number who stayed at the university then divides by two and compares it to the total number.

Here is my question for 05-06 are they tracking the athletes who participated on 04-5 but not in 05-06?

I don't recall any players being inelligible during 05-6, 06-07, or 07-08. Am I missing something? and Who left from 04-05?

Blaming academics kids leaving a program seems a piss poor measure. And are we talking Drake elligibility or NCAA, we are a lot tighter.

Based on rank within all baskeball programs the mens 80-90 percentile doesn't look that bad. Now compare the golf and tennis teams to their overall competition and its a little surprising.

This transfer stat is what bothers me, kids move around colleges these day's like their parents change carreers.

So we should expect the 07-08 report on mens hoops to be glowing except for Chris bryant leaving? Is that enough to make us Dismal? I wonder what the team GPA was for the top programs since eligibility is the only academic benchmark

WOOHOO GO D+ STUDENTS LEAD YOUR TEAMS TO THE TOP OF THE ACADEMIC RANKINGS, BUT DON'T TRANSFER!!!

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Drakey — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:03:27 GMT

What are "Academic Eligibility Standards?" Are they based on a certain GPA? Are they the same at every school? Would a school with a lot of athlete PE majors do better? If your players al had a 4.0 and a number of them transferred would your school look worse?

With the number of athletes participating in most sports, these numbers could be skewed significantly by a transfer or two.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

DUBulldog — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:51:50 GMT

From the NCAA's website:

Academic Progress Rate (APR). The APR is the fulcrum upon which the entire academic-reform structure rests. Developed as a more real-time assessment of teams' academic performance than the six-year graduation-rate calculation provides, the APR awards two points each term to student-athletes who meet academic-eligibility standards and who remain with the institution. A team's APR is the total points earned by the team at a given time divided by the total points possible.

If I'm reading this correctly, the APR is as much a measure of retention of student-athletes as it is a measure of their academic performance. Is it possible that Drake's student-athletes have achieved tremendous success in the classroom, but that retention of student-athletes at Drake is lower than that at other similar institutions?

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

DUBulldog — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:42:24 GMT

The most recent APR reports I could find for Drake are contained here.

While I am disappointed that Drake didn't rank in the top 10% in any, I noticed that Drake was above average in almost every men's and women's sport. Not great, but I would hardly call it dismal.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Dipper — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:38:20 GMT

Do Davidson and Harvard offer basketweaving courses ?

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Dipper — Mon, 05 May 2008 14:35:41 GMT

Were you as unaware of the criteria for the other academic "ranknings"( sic )that you have dismissed in the past ?

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Drakey — Mon, 05 May 2008 10:21:36 GMT

I do not know the criteria for these ranknings, but everyone I have seen in the past was completely meaningless and depended much more on luck than anything else. Have you seen a lot of Drake athletes flunking out? I haven't. All of the student athletes I'm aware of are excellent students.

RE: Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Mc Bulldog — Mon, 05 May 2008 10:20:43 GMT

I think I'm going to hurl as we go in to the depth of this subject. If Drake opens up a PE or basket weaving major we should be in the top 10% too.

Drake's Dismal Performance NCAA Academic Progress Report

Big Dipper — Mon, 05 May 2008 09:05:26 GMT

Drake's dismal results in the recently released annual Div 1 NCAA Academic Progress Report (APR) for enrollment throughout the 2003-04-2006-07 academic years need to be addressed.The APR measures semester by semester records for every individual team in Div 1 with regard to each team members' continuing eligibility,retention and progress. Every NCAA sport gave rankings for the teams that compete in these sports.
The NCAA commends teams that have an APR score in the top 10% within their sport
Bradley's athletic website listed four of their sports which were commended -Creighton had five.
For comparison Davidson had 14 sports commended -Harvard had 18
The Ivy League was the only conference to have commendations for all of its football teams
Where is Drake ? I'm sure that there will be many making excuses for Drake's poor performance but a soilid effort in instititional self- examination would be far more fruitful.

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