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RE: TATENOTES

ACC Bulldog — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:42:30 GMT

This is excellent....maybe you should also send it to the NCAA

RE: TATENOTES

Really Big Bulldog — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:11:37 GMT

[quote]Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

Here is another comment that urine smell didn't post in the comments section -

Dear Mr. Tate,

Thanks for the kind words about what a special player Rayvonte Rice is. We Drake fans can't wait to showcase him, along with two plus years of other stellar recruits (that in my estimation, will have Drake performing at a level higher than the majority of the Big Ten in 2-3 years from now).

Something strikes me about your article though. We live in a world of scandal. We criticize "kids" for incredulous lack of judgment that jeopardizes their athletic eligibility. How on earth will any of that ever change or improve when they are exposed to or guided by the unethical musings or "advice" of a "respected" sports columnist such as yourself?!?

If the NCAA wants to crackdown on recruiting violations…maybe looking at coaches is looking in the wrong direction. Maybe they ought to be looking at the grass-roots crap you are attempting to stir up in this article. I honestly can't believe some of this stuff that you are spinning off as advice…or in your insinuation (directed at Rayvonte) that he ought to be having second thoughts?!?!? Honestly??? Have you ever read an actual letter of intent? Do you know that once an athlete has signed, that they forfeit a year of eligibility if they don't complete their first year with the school they signed with? And to suggest that all he needs to do to avoid such a penalty is to claim that he'd like to be close to Mom??? That's not "hardship"….are you kidding me?

I am surprised. Surprised that someone of your tenure and experience can somehow justify such an adolescently immature suggestion that Rayvonte has somehow made an ill-advised choice. Commitment, and values, and fit….they mean something. Might you walk away from your wife because some flash-in-the-pan hottie told you she'd be "more fun"…and that you'd made a mistake by being committed to her??? Worse yet, find me a respected advisor that would tell you that you should! That's what you've done here.

I, for one, am so glad that Drake has done such a great job in recruiting a kid with the moral fortitude not to be phased by this ill-conceived attempt to get him to question his decision.

When I read or hear of Illini recruiting scandals…past, present, or future…I'll now always wonder what role you might have played in it.

[/quote]
Thanks...that one is mine. I also submitted it to their editorial department. They called me and said they were going to run it.

RE: TATENOTES

Gordon Gottschalk — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:41:25 GMT

The article appears to be directed straight at Tate, even though he never mentions him. What I see missing in all of this is a consideration of what Rayvonte wants. There are big differences between a huge state school like Illinois and Drake, many of which weigh in Drake's favor. I wish this article had taken an approach geared more toward respecting Rayvonte and his confidantes to know what's best for Rayvonte than taking the general approach the writer took in saying a hometown star should not go to college in his hometown.

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:53:49 GMT

A different opinion from the same newspaper.....link

RE: TATENOTES

amcsepboe — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:05:55 GMT

the absurdity of Tate's suggestion aside, it makes excited that Big Ten people are upset to see Rice not going there...he has to have some game.

RE: TATENOTES

Big Bull — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:52:01 GMT

Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

I'm ah pretty ah well connected in that area ... see ... I ah wonder what that ah man ah was ah think'n when he ah wrote that, kapeesh? We ah don't put up ah with dat type of direspect ah in da family, kapeesh?

Ezekial 25:17

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:19:44 GMT

RE: TATENOTES

Big Bull — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:06:13 GMT

Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

You are nothing more than a lair!

Ok McB, roadtrip, we are going to go medieval on this Sombatch!!!!!!!!!!

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:01:08 GMT

You are nothing more than a lair!

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:38:59 GMT

Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

Yes .. I did both, registered and submitted and emailed it. If you go to the article now it seems that "urine smell" has blocked all the comments. None of them show up including DUBulldog's.

I just figured out that if you click on Gutter's link, the comments don't come up at all. If you click on DUBulldog's link the comments do come up. Go figure, right?

Gutter's link and my link are to the same article in 2 different newspapers. The comments are specific to each newspaper's website.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:04:05 GMT

Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

Yes .. I did both, registered and submitted and emailed it. If you go to the article now it seems that "urine smell" has blocked all the comments. None of them show up including DUBulldog's.

I just figured out that if you click on Gutter's link, the comments don't come up at all. If you click on DUBulldog's link the comments do come up. Go figure, right?

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 13:53:32 GMT

RE: TATENOTES

Mecha_Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 12:04:42 GMT

The waivers for Jake Kelly and Tyler Smith were granted because a parent with recently died or was recently diagnosed with a terminal illness.

The whole column was bizarre. Reading it was like listening to an elderly relative who just says whatever pops into his head.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:01:36 GMT

I love this one -

"I have a coffee cup at work that says "I'm a lawyer, not a magician." The waivers in the cited cases don't seem to have been contested and didn't appear to be the result of tampering or interference, formal or informal, by any of the players, the schools involved, their families or "posses." In this case, if I'm the Drake AD, I clip 'n' save Tate's article as my Exhibit #1. Athletic departments have lawyers, too -- even Drake, which by the way has a pretty well regarded law school."

The funny thing is, I emailed a link of the article to a friend who is a judge in Illinois. He basically said the same thing.

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:44:08 GMT

Here is a link to an Illinois message board discussion about this article....

link

To their credit, there are several posters on there saying that Tate was out of line with this column.

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:24:51 GMT

BRFDawg (2/2/2010)

What a ridiculous article. Just to clarify, has Rayvonte signed a letter of intent with us yet?

Yes, he has signed a letter of intent.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:23:45 GMT

Yes .. I did both, registered and submitted and emailed it. If you go to the article now it seems that "urine smell" has blocked all the comments. None of them show up including DUBulldog's.

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:54:39 GMT

Mc Bulldog (2/2/2010)

Here is what I submitted ... doesn't look like the old fart is going to list it the comments section.

I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but you do realize that in order for your comments to show up in the comments section, you have to register and submit it as a comment. If you e-mail it to him, it's not going to show up in the comments.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:48:46 GMT

Here is another response that someone else wrote ... I'm sure it won't show up in the comments section either. -

"Tate-
I just read your post on Rayvonte Rice. Let me help you with something. The
reason you had difficulty sleeping was not your excitement about Mr. Rice's
ability. The reason you cant sleep is because your outlook on life is
screwed up and your subconscious knows it.
You spent 1/2 your article creating bogus rationale for this young man to
break his word. You supplied him with all kinds of ideas aimed to corrupt
his morale fiber.
The reason schools like Illinois were not his choice is because people like
you have gone there and their methods of manipulating young people's minds
is not appealing to him. Thank God this young man had the wisdom to run from
programs with boosters who have no desire to help him grow as a human being,
rather just TAKE from him. In my mind he is way beyond your ability to
understand what's truly important in life. Your commentary shows that you
are a small person capable of only using others for what they can bring to
you.
I'm glad you spelled out your moral shortcomings for him to read. It will
only serve to cement his decision. Good luck with your approach. It's
probably cleaver enough to work on most the losers that end up as Illini."

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:41:17 GMT

Smells like urine.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:36:27 GMT

Here is what I submitted ... doesn't look like the old fart is going to list it the comments section. -

"Mr. Tate, I can understand your frustration but to crawl this low? I'd think a man of your character and experience as a professional journalist wouldn't allow you to use these types of unethical tactics. This article reminds me of some young east coast putz that wants to create controversy for free pulicity. Two things come to mind, 1)You are very close to Weber and this can be viewed as a tampering violation, or 2)You are saying Weber isn't a very good coach. Which is it? You should write an article on what sour grapes taste like. By the way, what is the Fighting Illini's record against the Missouri Valley this season? You know nothing about what is best for Rayvonte Rice and you know nothing about Drake University. Though the article is a compliment to Mr. Rice, it still shows a mentality that is ruining college athletics."

I hope Mr. Tate's Depends diaper leaks all over the place today. What a cheesy, slime ball, prack.

RE: TATENOTES

DUBulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:41:33 GMT

link

Feel free to leave a comment for "Mr" Tate. I did.

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:19:54 GMT

This guy is a Fighting Illini homer to the max. Talk about the ultimate compliment to Rayvonte! Still, I find this article to be biased and unprofessional. Maybe there is more to the story as to why this guy would write an article that most will view as a possible tampering violation. He is either real tight with Weber or he is telling the public that Weber sucks as a coach. Don't know which it is but I can't wait to see Mr. Rice next year. The Big Ten has been losing ground for years and this type of journalism is nothing new. He knows nothing about Drake University. He's still pissed off Bradley knocked Illinois's Richard in the dirt to start the season. Loren Tate, write a story on what sour grapes taste like. Ya prack.

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Darth Vader — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 04:27:53 GMT

Wow...an open article practically begging for someone from Illinois to 'tamper' in this situation and asking a student to de-commit to a school of choice. That seems pretty low. I also agree there was a lot of 'waste' in this article (I doubt this is in Mr Tate's "Top 10" of written contributions) both literally and figuratively.

I do know this: I saw the Illinois AAA final last year where Rice came up clutch and I was impressed. I look forward to seeing him at D.

RE: TATENOTES

BRFDawg — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:05:57 GMT

What a ridiculous article. Just to clarify, has Rayvonte signed a letter of intent with us yet?

RE: TATENOTES

Gutter — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:38:12 GMT

http://www.thetelegraph.com/sports/something-35854-special-country.html

RE: TATENOTES

Mc Bulldog — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:13:26 GMT

Here is a chat they had that mostly talks football where Jim and Loren say Rayvonte made the right choice in Drake. Like Rayvonte needs their freak'n approval, right?

"Dave C., Champaign, IL: Guys,

Couple questions about Sat's Shootout at the Hall. What would you estimate the attendance was for Centennial/Waukeegan? Do you think the Big Ten Coaches missed out on Rayvonte Rice? He reminds me of Sergio McLain, short for the 3 spot, but enough of a bulldog to pull it off. Do you think anyone made a jump in front of the recruiters there?

Moderator: Dave, the attendance number we have is 3,000. Rice is very good but there is only so much room. Did Weber "miss" on Verdell Jones? Did Weber miss on Jay Simpson? Only time will tell. Weber made the right choice at the time the choice had to be made. We think Rice made the right choice by choosing Drake. Jim and Loren"

I assume that is the same Loren, right? (almost half way down the page) ---- linkage

RE: TATENOTES

hoosierbulldog — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:46:17 GMT

What this board will NOT like about the article is his implication that Rayvonte should de-commit to be closer to home and play in the big ten. Way out of bounds. YOu guys will go nuts.

RE: TATENOTES

Darth Vader — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:56:21 GMT

Loren Tate has been reporting on University of Illinois athletics for a long time (I remember him from when I was a kid). I'll be curious to see/read the article.

TATENOTES

hoosierbulldog — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:25:44 GMT

I picked up a very flattering article dated February 2 written by a fella named Loren Tate from near Champaign.
I don't think I can copy it to drakenation. It looks like it might come out in Tuesdays Champaign paper.